Tuesday, March 03, 2009

Henry Rago in the 1950s
There is a meme going round – identify the 20 books that first caused you to fall in love with poetry. I first ran into it on Javier Huerta’s blog & have since seen it several other times. That’s an interesting, nagging proposition. It’s quite different, actually, from the question posed by Peter Davis in his Poets’ Bookshelf series, which asks about those books that have most influenced you, although obviously there is going to be overlap. But the question here seems more to be what got you here in the first place, what work made poetry the art you love.
I tried to come up with a list of twenty, and as you can see below, couldn’t really do it. Any item off the list below would fundamentally falsify the list. It has 31 lines and since one line consists of three items, my roster comes to 33. These aren’t the first books of poetry I read (Lawrence Ferlinghetti, Robert Frost, Oscar Williams & Alan Dugan would be on that list – Dugan is the only one of the four I still read with interest today). And I could do another circle around this of other books from this same time period – basically 1960s into the earliest part of the ‘70s – that certainly did not hurt, including volumes by Roger Shattuck, Donald Finkel, George Starbuck or Robert Sward that might surprise you. David Ossman’s collection of interviews, The Sullen Art, Ed Dorn’s
Donald Allen (editor), The New American Poetry
Paul Blackburn, The Cities
Robert Creeley, For Love
Robert Creeley, Words
Robert Creeley, Pieces
Robert Duncan, Roots and Branches
Robert Duncan, Bending the Bow
Jack Gilbert, Views of Jeopardy
Allen Ginsberg, Howl
Allen Ginsberg, The Fall of
Ronald Johnson, The Book of the Green Man
Ronald Johnson, The Valley of the Many-Colored Grasses
Robert Kelly, Finding the Measure
Robert Kelly, Axon Dendron Tree
Robert Kelly, Twenty Poems
Robert Kelly & Paris Leary (editors), A Controversy of Poets
George Oppen, This in Which
Charles Olson, The Distances
Ezra Pound, The Cantos
Henry Rago (editor), Poetry double issues (Fiftieth Anniversary, Oct.-Nov. 1962; Works in Progress – Long Poems – Sequences, Oct.-Nov. 1963, Works in Progress – Long Poems – Sequences, April-May 1965)
Jack Spicer, Book of Magazine Verse
Jack Spicer, Language
Gertrude Stein, Writing and Lectures 1909 – 1945 (esp. Tender Buttons)
Gertrude Stein, Stanzas in Meditation
Philip Whalen, On Bear’s Head
Jonathan Williams, Amen, Huzzah, Selah
William Carlos Williams, The Desert Music
William Carlos Williams, Spring & All
Louis Zukofsky, “A” 1-12
Louis Zukofsky, “A” 22-23
Louis Zukofsky (editor), Poetry (The “Objectivist” issue, February 1931)
I’m very conscious just how very white and very male this list is. My argument would be that it was the time. I had hoped that meeting Denise Levertov when she came to
The situation of Bev Dahlen also points to another feature of this list – it’s book-centric. Poets like George Stanley & David Gitin had a profound impact on me in my early years, but not because of any specific books of theirs that were available then. Ditto John Gorham & I don’t know that this once-upon-a-time student of Robert Kelly’s ever had a book published.
Looking at that list today, I don’t think there’s one bad book on it. I still think those two Norton volumes are Ronald Johnson’s best work, even though they aren’t the ones people focus on most today. And it’s interesting to me to realize that only one collection by Charles Olson – and not of Maximus – would be on this list. I have a deep interest in Olson, but until the complete Maximus was in print, that volume seemed scattered. Another very conspicuous absence is Larry Eigner – I loved his work wherever I read it, but that was as apt to be in journals as books (or, for that matter, on postcards), and even if he’s one of my half-dozen favorite poets, I don’t have anything like a favorite book.
Another surprise might be Jack Gilbert, whom some will read as the only
It might also surprise people to see four separate issues of Poetry here, given that I haven’t been all that wowed by the quality of that journal’s work over the 40 since Henry Rago had a fatal heart attack while on a sabbatical. The 50th anniversary issue brought together – in alphabetical order – many of the best known poets in the
There is a liveliness to the Rago double issues that they share with two of the other anthologies on my list, The New American Poetry & A Controversy of Poets. Like the Kelly-Leary anthology, Rago’s trifecta does try to include all kinds of American poetry. The first – and to my thinking, still the only serious – attempt to heal the wound between the two traditions of American verse.
When Rago died, his interim replacement, Daryl Hine, took over – this was more akin to losing Obama & getting Gov. Palin in his place. Hine & his successors have generally kept the coup intact. Even though the Poetry Foundation – by now the more important institution over there – has emerged as a heterogeneous site for American poetry, the verse actually printed in the journal, with a few notable exceptions (vispo!), still covers the waterfront mostly from A to B as if we were still living prior to 1962.
When I see the other lists that are emerging on the web of people’s 20 books, I realize just radically different the world has become from what it was in my youth. There are relatively few times when I envy younger people, but the greater diversity of what any young poet was reading who came up in the 1980s or ‘90s strikes me as a mode of richness we should not underestimate.
¹ Discrete Series is a volume that has had a greater impact on me over time, but I never would have gotten to it without This in Which.
In emphasizing books that made "you" fall in love with poetry, the meme forgets that for most of us -- surely not just me -- he love began not with books, but poems. For most, poems taught in school.
The dang red wheelbarrow rolled through my little head and I was ready to follow it to see the rain and white chickens wherever the heck it was headed way before I ever heard of Spring & All.
And Ron, you listing 20 books sort of undercuts the specialness of your particular experience, which you've recounted here and elsewhere, of having the top of your head blown off coming across a single book (The Desert Music,) in the Albany public library. That's the book that did it for you, yes? No way the next 19 could match that.
word ver: gamea
certainly!
Susana
If I had to chose something more literal, it would be a book that this a teacher gave to me called Three Painter-Poets. It included stuff by Hans Arp, Kurt Schwitters, Paul Klee. The book was amazing. Language became something else--and I guess I have always been attracted to that something else in language.
That's one of my favorite books. I go back to it every year at some point.
Just saying.
1. Hearing a recording of Frank O'Hara read.
2. Finding this blog while googling Frank O'Hara.
3. Finding and going through the archives of Jacket Magazine.
I would never have found out about the majority of poets on my list without this blog, so thank-you Ron.
Such a claim may serve the Manichean construct Ron promotes, but it's outlandishly false.
"As if we were living prior to 1962"? Statements like this are red herrings and only take us away from productively considering the changes (rapidly accelerating ones) that the poetry field's been undergoing for the past fifteen years, or so.
I did a quick online search through Tables of Content for issues of Poetry going back to the start of 2007. That very limited time frame yields the following names of poets and critics, some foreign (there are quite a few more in that category), who would be associated with "innovative" writing. The list doesn't include figures in the magazine (like Graham, D. Young, and numerous younger poets) whose writing is inflected with modes of abstraction that directly descend from the rising academic popularity of Language poetry and immediate offshoots since ca. early 90s. If one were to go back into the next couple or three years, the below list would substantially expand. Further, a number of names below (Armantrout, Mlinko, Howe, for example) appear *multiple times* in the magazine since 2007...
Bernstein, Mlinko, Clover, Spahr, Caws, F. Howe, Perloff, Bolano, Archambeau, Spicer, Seidel, Gander, Waldner, Armantrout, Volkman, Beckett, Johnston, O'Leary, Beachy-Quick, Bang, Koethe, Equi, Celan, Adonis, Celan, Bracho, Everson, Powell, Numerous foreign poets from Translation issues, the Vispo grouping of Geof Huth, mIEKAL aND, Michael Basinski, derek beaulieu, Peter Ciccariello, Bob Dahlquist, K.S. Ernst, Sheila Murphy, Jesse Patrick Ferguson, Philip Gallo, Scott Helmes, Joel Lipman, gustave morin, jörg piringer, etc.
Yes, it's true that Poetry is not Fence or other journals of the new, now dominant hybridity. But 2009 in U.S. poetry is certainly not 1962, either.
Kent
In addition, here is are some of the poets Poetry has reviewed in just the past two years:
Zukofsky, Mullen, Shapiro, Armantrout, Laughlin, numerous "novissimo" Italian poets, Johnston, P. Cole, Volkman, Davenport, F. Howe, O' Rourke, Bang.
Kent
Did you read these before you came on all the modern/postmodern (etc) poetry, or did it just not interest you?
e e cummings 95 poems; d thomas collected poems; k patchen journal of albion moonlight; h miller tropic of capricorn (i know, but i read these as prose poetry); a ginsberg howl; w whitman leaves of grass (read through in a single night); a rimbaud illuminations; r m rilke notebooks of malte laurids brigge; r johnson book of the green man (!); w fowlie ed. mid century french poets; f g lorca gypsy ballads; r motherwell ed. the dada painters and poets; d hall ed. contemporary american poetry (penguin ‘62); g kinnell avenue bearing the initial of christ into the new world; d allen ed. new american poetry; g snyder myths and texts; f o'hara lunch poems; j spicer billy the kid (came across it in a tiny lower east side bookshop);j schuyler freely espousing; t berrigan and r padgett bean spasms.
each of these was a holy book for me at some time and several i encountered without context in a bookshop. none except cummings had ever been mentioned by a teacher in school.
Well I heard Ginsberg, Miller, Rimbaud, Whitman, Snyder (somehow, in a middle school anthology called "An Introduction to Literature" (eds. Sylvan Barnet, Morton Berman, and William Burto), included was Williams' "This Is Just to Say", "Red Wheelbarrow" and "The Yachts; Ginsberg's "A Supermarket in California", and Snyder's "Hay for the Horses").
Can I just point out the obvious fact that 'hardly past 1965' is the time when Ron was young, kinda the whole point of the meme? I wouldn't expect him to list a book from 2008, since I'm pretty sure he loved poetry long before that.
As you should know by now, what Poetry publishes and what it reviews are two different things entirely. You're not comparing apples & oranges, but apples & bicycles,
Ron
Stein is on Ron's list already.
Ron's dedicated major works to Armantrout, and wrote one of them with her, and wrote repeatedly about her work and its importance to him.
And he's written before about Acker.
Ditto Dahlen. And Blau DuPlessis.
One can infer also that a few to several of the woman poets from American Tree would be on Ron's list (Harryman and Hejinian and Scalapino, for example), the Howes perhaps too, a few canonicals, a la Emily D. and H.D., and the personal (Nameroff).
This is about ten already, based solely on what I remember from Ron's writing.
It's the next 10 or 20 that'll be interesting to read about.
>Kent, As you should know by now, what Poetry publishes and what it reviews are two different things entirely. You're not comparing apples & oranges, but apples & bicycles,
Ron, don't avoid the issue... See my first comment. The one about reviews was an addendum. My first comment (with its partial list of "post-avantish" poets published in the magazine since 2007) focuses on the ridiculous "nothing's changed since 1962" claim you make in the post. A claim proffered, so far as I can see, from the mists of your binary hallucination of the current poetic field...
Kent
What "inspired you" or "made you fall in love with" isn't at all the same thing as books you now think were "important."
It's often embarrassing to admit what actually first turned you on. A lot of retroactive editing going on.
Dusie (above) asks for a list of works by women writers "who have helped shape your work" and Ron responds favorably. But that wasn't the question.
Why be PC if it isn't true?
Robert Creeley, For Love
Hi Ron,
thanks for mentioning Poet's Bookshelf today. Would you mind providing a link to it?
http://bsu.edu/classes/koontz/barnwood/indbks/davis.htm
that could mean some business for Barnwood Press if you would. Thanks as always for your blog.
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I didn't hear back from Ron, but Barnwood Press is run by a fine man named Tom Koontz and, if you enjoy lists and hearing poets write about books, you should check out the Poet's Bookshelf books and, in the process, help out a small press that has the best of intentions.
i'm not sure why Ron didn't link to the book given that he and many of his "kind" of poets are in it and given the fact that normally Ron is a linking machine...
anyway, if the above link doesn't work for some reason you can always just go to Barnwoodpress.org
i post my list and mention all this not just to be an old fogey but to clarify the history. by 1970 the active part of my bookshelf was similar to ron's. perspective is always changing, and those days, it seemed to change particularly rapidly. maybe the synergy then between the different arts was part of this, but what went on in school was not.
I created this meme on Facebook and wasn't sure if anyone would respond to it. A lot of people have, and I'm glad you have, too. Thanks.
Aaron Smith
Dr. Seuss -- Scrambled Eggs Super; Dr. Seuss's Sleep Book, others.
Lewis Carroll -- the poems in the Alice Books.
A. A. Milne -- When We Were Very Young and Now We Are Six.
Poetry got me young. I could never thank my parents enough.
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