Tuesday, November 25, 2008

 

Here’s a little thought experiment. Place the following three poets into chronological order –

A) John Ashbery

B) Clark Coolidge

C) Basil Bunting

Most readers I dare say will select the sequence C, A, B – not only replicating the order in which these poets were born, but also that of the emergence of the literary movements with which they are associated: the Objectivist Bunting (tho you may have a harder time explaining why he should be so labeled), first generation New York School icon Ashbery or Clark Coolidge, who has been associated at times with both the 2nd generation New York School and with language writing. And who am I to say that anyone is wrong here?

So let me add a little more detail to my thought experiment and run it again:

A)  John Ashbery’s River and Mountains

B)  Clark Coolidge’s Flag Flutter & U.S. Electric

C)  Basil Bunting’s Briggflatts

By now even the sleepiest reader must realize that there is some trick afoot. Let me add a few other titles: The Diaries of Anaïs Nin, Sylvia Plath’s Ariel, Jack Spicer’s Book of Magazine Verse, George Oppen’s Discrete Series, Gertrude Stein’s The Making of Americans, Louis Zukofsky’s All: The Collected Short Poems, 1956-1964.

All of these works were published in a single year, 1966, although both the Oppen & Stein were reprints of long unavailable editions.

This is a detail I pulled out of the bibliography that’s in the back of The Grand Piano, Part 7, the most recent volume in this collective interrogation into the history of the poetry scene of San Francisco during the latter half of the 1970s. We decided that it would be a good idea to simply list, in order of their year of publication, the books that were important to us, starting in 1965 and running through 1985. Nor did we just list the poetry that mattered to us. 1966 was also the year that LeRoi Jones published Home: Social Essays and Kenneth Burke brought out Language as Symbolic Action: Essays on Life, Literature, and Method, from UC Press.

Going through the list again Wednesday night, trying to distract myself from a too long flight from LA to Philadelphia, I thought to myself, “Hey, how about that?” seeing Ashbery, Coolidge & Bunting all bunched together like that. Rivers and Mountains is actually one of Ashbery’s early books (also one of my personal favorites) & Bunting himself has been defined by the volume Briggflatts as by nothing else in his life. But here is Clark Coolidge already tossing the onions & chard in what Robert Sward would later dismiss as “psychedelic word salad” in a review of this very book in the journal Poetry. In my mind at least, these three works fit into very different slots, which is to say that each volume has become part of a larger narrative, and that these narratives themselves are parts of a larger whole ensemble.

All of this is thoroughly imaginary, even if I fancy it as some sort of history of contemporary poetry – and I’m perfectly capable of arguing for my sense of it in reasonably strong terms, downgrading the likes of Robert Lowell, for example, or elevating (as a few correspondents tell me I have done without justification) Elizabeth Bishop from some margin of trivia. What is not imaginary, however, is the actual history of publication of any of these works. George Oppen published Discrete Series some 32 years before in an edition of maybe 300 copies. But in 1966 he was publishing for the first time in a generation and his terrific first books from San Francisco Review / New Directions had generated interest in the even earlier pre-communist poetry of the 1930s, so Ron Caplan of the Asphodel Bookshop in Cleveland brought out this reprint. Likewise Dick Higgins (one of the most underappreciated poets & publishers of the entire period) brought out Stein’s early opus, a big brick of a book at a time when all you could get of The Cantos, say, was an edition of the first 90.

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Which of these is correct?

a) that's Sylvia Plath's "Ariel" not "Aerial."

b) that's Open not Oppen.

c) that's Cleaveland not Cleveland

cheers to #7!
 
hey! what'd you DO... go through my book casses? when I wasn't "here"?

check out Dembo's essay

re: Bunting's 'Brigflatts'
A Strong Song to Tow Us................193


and in same (man and Poet) book Cid Corman's "Earwork"



and

let's not "leave out" Louis Dudek...
 
How about "downgrading" the dead
altogether and celebrating

the living

I find this hugely annoying
in the arts

these people got their job done
and spawned where the black and green
run to red

the living
the living
the living
the living

the dead are down
down
in
the ground

but the living
still

make
odd noises

in a universe of death

the dead

are the most
utterly boring

BORING
things that exist

the living
by their sheer RARITY
in the LARGE SCHEME OF SPACE

deserve more

INTEREST

WAKE UP POETRY!

[see Seneca'(s[ic]} ad herennius
for models of contentio etc.}
 
Ron, If I remember correctly, 1966 was also the year that a series of half hour black and white films made for TV about contemporary poets (2 poets in each film, 15 minutes each, showing them in their daily lives, including writing poems and reading them to the camera) brought Gary Snyder, Charles Olson and Frank O'Hara, among many others, to a much wider audience (there was no PBS I don't think yet, so not sure what channel I saw them on that summer).
 
and there was a Young John Cage LIVE taking over an entire Gary Moore show!


brilliant

and, I betcha some-one has "saved" it and it is somewhere ON THE NET!

what did they call those early copies/recordings of live tv? kinetescope? or some such.. this was before "let's go to the video-tape" but after 16 mm / 8 mm
 
Ed,

Check this out:

http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2007/04/john_cage_on_a_.html

& you mean kinescope?

Ron didn't mention (no reason why he should have, I guess) that Briggflatts 1st appeared in Poetry. As did much of Oppen, whose New Collected Poems just out in pbk. w/audio CD is a must for holiday giving.
 
An email today:

Dear Ron,

Not sure this is a correction or not, but the "sole owner and proprietor" of Cleveland's Asphodel Bookshop was Jim Lowell, no relation, so far as I know, to Robert or James or Amy. I have the copy of Discrete Series you're talking about, and Caplan would represent the Mother (Canadian) side of the forward slash. Perhaps he was the solo publisher, as claimed, but Jim was such a diffident guy I wouldn't be surprised if he refused to identify himself as even one of the publishers. Caplan is better known as a designer of books, Discrete Series for one, but especially books from Clevelander Harvey Brown's Frontier Press, including Spring and All, where he is given no credit because the book was pirated. But he is credited in the books uniform with Spring, such as Dorn's Some Business Recently Transacted in the White World and Robert Kelly's Cities. Jim distributed these books and more, being a one-man SPD long before there was an org. He also went to jail for selling books by another of his Cleveland friends, D.A. Levy.
 
Don,

I'd forgotten that Briggflatts was published in Poetry,

Ron
 
Michael,

Yes, Dick Moore's poetry series (some but not all of which is bouncing around the net) was aired in 1966 for the first time. Which is how I discovered Louis Zukofsky -- through TV!

Ron
 
seems I've heard maybe from (...) that George Oppen made some copies of Discrete Series (even before EP got hold of things)

and sent a copy to CR and to LZ... and maybe to one other...



I tried to find a copy..

couldn't/didn't..
 
just for the record, the phrase "word salad" does not appear in the omnibus review of keith wilson, richard kolmar, john perrault and clark coolidge that robert sward published in the march 1967 issue of poetry. he does refer to coolidge's work as "a slippery sort of instant poetry" whose "effect is one of a psychedelic outpouring," continuing "the game here is verbal hop-scotch." the assessment goes downhill from there...

tom orange
 
as important as Pound was, Ron, if you told me on my desert island "all" I could have of the Cantos was the first 90--I'd survive. "Thrones" fans, feel free to start hatin'...
 
Ed, Oppen published 4 poems under the title "Discrete Series" in Poetry, but only 1 turned up in the 1934 ed. of the book. The ms. he sent to CR had 3 poems more that didn't turn up in the book. Not sure what EP did beyond contributing the preface.
 
http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2007/04/john_cage_on_a_.html

Wholly shit!

I saw this live! we had the first philco tv with a bubble that magnified the round picture...

when I visited John Cage (1970 or 71 at his Bank Street house John and Yoko were coming out I think that they lived across the street.. the guy who opened the door was Bob Duncan...

I also seem to recall Bob Zimmerman's brother was around got drunk with Fay (Pauline) and me and Tony and Cienna...

I should have kept track... now these 'bits and pieces' are selling for "big bucks"

just imagine, Ron, what Curtis can sell your "stuff" for! you'll be rich... and happy!

now, back to my 6ixth Buddha Beer enough abot Poetry let's talk
about.... me!
 
Not Chronological, but aesthetic order?

I don't even know what aesthetic means any more, but I think I would put Bunting at the top.

His work has the most REALITY in it, and that's something I think is important in aesthetics.

Ashbery's the least REALISTIC.
 
Ron,

When I heard you mention to Joe Milford that you'd learned about Louis Zukofsky by watching a show on tv, it was akin to my learning about Sun Ra via Saturday Night Live in 1978.

I was luckier with jazz than poetry, as I didn't learn about Zukofsky until I started reading your blog. But, better late than never.

pac, lov and undrstanding (nvr giv up!)

stv ptrmir
no man's land
minnapolis, mn
usa
 
Ed: I expect that, rather than let his books be traded up on the antiquarian market, Ron would track down all extant copies of his books and have them burned. That would put a stop to the exploitation of his legacy that's sure to follow when he passes. But I've figured out a better way. Obscurity! Yes, the best way to prevent yourself being "used" by capitalists is to make yourself invisible. Neglect is the highest form of praise. In the ideal society, all public identity would be banned in the campaign against the cult of personality, all works would be by "anonymous." Self-effacement is the new paradigm. All Hail, Anon!
 
HEY speaking of Oppen..

just now here:

New Collected Poems (of George Oppen)



must be a redo of the 1975 ND production as this one has a "(c), 2008, Linda Oppen" it also
has a cd of GO reading (over the years). all this brand new. and the book cost me more than the S & H !


"There are things
We live among 'and to see them
Is to know ourselves'.

George oppen

(I hope the lines get seen write .. ther in the line is the breath... just as it is!

I cld say more, however... I got Buddha beer left from yes-sir-daze's

there seems to be
noh end to
'this' until there

is
 
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Portrait by Didi Menendez

Ron Silliman has written and edited over 30 books to date. Silliman was the 2006 Poet Laureate of the Blogosphere, a 2003 Literary Fellow of the National Endowment for the Arts and was a 2002 Fellow of the Pennsylvania Arts Council as well as a Pew Fellow in the Arts in 1998. He lives in Chester County, Pennsylvania, with his wife and two sons, and works as a market analyst in the computer industry.


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