Tuesday, November 25, 2008
Here’s a little thought experiment. Place the following three poets into chronological order –
A) John Ashbery
B) Clark Coolidge
C) Basil Bunting
Most readers I dare say will select the sequence C, A, B – not only replicating the order in which these poets were born, but also that of the emergence of the literary movements with which they are associated: the Objectivist Bunting (tho you may have a harder time explaining why he should be so labeled), first generation New York School icon Ashbery or Clark Coolidge, who has been associated at times with both the 2nd generation New York School and with language writing. And who am I to say that anyone is wrong here?
So let me add a little more detail to my thought experiment and run it again:
A) John Ashbery’s River and Mountains
B) Clark Coolidge’s Flag Flutter & U.S. Electric
C) Basil Bunting’s Briggflatts
By now even the sleepiest reader must realize that there is some trick afoot. Let me add a few other titles: The Diaries of Anaïs Nin, Sylvia Plath’s Ariel, Jack Spicer’s Book of Magazine Verse, George Oppen’s Discrete Series, Gertrude Stein’s The Making of Americans, Louis Zukofsky’s All: The Collected Short Poems, 1956-1964.
All of these works were published in a single year, 1966, although both the Oppen & Stein were reprints of long unavailable editions.
This is a detail I pulled out of the bibliography that’s in the back of The Grand Piano, Part 7, the most recent volume in this collective interrogation into the history of the poetry scene of
Going through the list again Wednesday night, trying to distract myself from a too long flight from LA to
All of this is thoroughly imaginary, even if I fancy it as some sort of history of contemporary poetry – and I’m perfectly capable of arguing for my sense of it in reasonably strong terms, downgrading the likes of Robert Lowell, for example, or elevating (as a few correspondents tell me I have done without justification) Elizabeth Bishop from some margin of trivia. What is not imaginary, however, is the actual history of publication of any of these works. George Oppen published Discrete Series some 32 years before in an edition of maybe 300 copies. But in 1966 he was publishing for the first time in a generation and his terrific first books from San Francisco Review / New Directions had generated interest in the even earlier pre-communist poetry of the 1930s, so Ron Caplan of the Asphodel Bookshop in Cleveland brought out this reprint. Likewise Dick Higgins (one of the most underappreciated poets & publishers of the entire period) brought out Stein’s early opus, a big brick of a book at a time when all you could get of The Cantos, say, was an edition of the first 90.
Labels: history
a) that's Sylvia Plath's "Ariel" not "Aerial."
b) that's Open not Oppen.
c) that's Cleaveland not Cleveland
cheers to #7!
check out Dembo's essay
re: Bunting's 'Brigflatts'
A Strong Song to Tow Us................193
and in same (man and Poet) book Cid Corman's "Earwork"
and
let's not "leave out" Louis Dudek...
altogether and celebrating
the living
I find this hugely annoying
in the arts
these people got their job done
and spawned where the black and green
run to red
the living
the living
the living
the living
the dead are down
down
in
the ground
but the living
still
make
odd noises
in a universe of death
the dead
are the most
utterly boring
BORING
things that exist
the living
by their sheer RARITY
in the LARGE SCHEME OF SPACE
deserve more
INTEREST
WAKE UP POETRY!
[see Seneca'(s[ic]} ad herennius
for models of contentio etc.}
brilliant
and, I betcha some-one has "saved" it and it is somewhere ON THE NET!
what did they call those early copies/recordings of live tv? kinetescope? or some such.. this was before "let's go to the video-tape" but after 16 mm / 8 mm
Check this out:
http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2007/04/john_cage_on_a_.html
& you mean kinescope?
Ron didn't mention (no reason why he should have, I guess) that Briggflatts 1st appeared in Poetry. As did much of Oppen, whose New Collected Poems just out in pbk. w/audio CD is a must for holiday giving.
Dear Ron,
Not sure this is a correction or not, but the "sole owner and proprietor" of Cleveland's Asphodel Bookshop was Jim Lowell, no relation, so far as I know, to Robert or James or Amy. I have the copy of Discrete Series you're talking about, and Caplan would represent the Mother (Canadian) side of the forward slash. Perhaps he was the solo publisher, as claimed, but Jim was such a diffident guy I wouldn't be surprised if he refused to identify himself as even one of the publishers. Caplan is better known as a designer of books, Discrete Series for one, but especially books from Clevelander Harvey Brown's Frontier Press, including Spring and All, where he is given no credit because the book was pirated. But he is credited in the books uniform with Spring, such as Dorn's Some Business Recently Transacted in the White World and Robert Kelly's Cities. Jim distributed these books and more, being a one-man SPD long before there was an org. He also went to jail for selling books by another of his Cleveland friends, D.A. Levy.
Yes, Dick Moore's poetry series (some but not all of which is bouncing around the net) was aired in 1966 for the first time. Which is how I discovered Louis Zukofsky -- through TV!
Ron
and sent a copy to CR and to LZ... and maybe to one other...
I tried to find a copy..
couldn't/didn't..
tom orange
Wholly shit!
I saw this live! we had the first philco tv with a bubble that magnified the round picture...
when I visited John Cage (1970 or 71 at his Bank Street house John and Yoko were coming out I think that they lived across the street.. the guy who opened the door was Bob Duncan...
I also seem to recall Bob Zimmerman's brother was around got drunk with Fay (Pauline) and me and Tony and Cienna...
I should have kept track... now these 'bits and pieces' are selling for "big bucks"
just imagine, Ron, what Curtis can sell your "stuff" for! you'll be rich... and happy!
now, back to my 6ixth Buddha Beer enough abot Poetry let's talk
about.... me!
I don't even know what aesthetic means any more, but I think I would put Bunting at the top.
His work has the most REALITY in it, and that's something I think is important in aesthetics.
Ashbery's the least REALISTIC.
When I heard you mention to Joe Milford that you'd learned about Louis Zukofsky by watching a show on tv, it was akin to my learning about Sun Ra via Saturday Night Live in 1978.
I was luckier with jazz than poetry, as I didn't learn about Zukofsky until I started reading your blog. But, better late than never.
pac, lov and undrstanding (nvr giv up!)
stv ptrmir
no man's land
minnapolis, mn
usa
just now here:
New Collected Poems (of George Oppen)
must be a redo of the 1975 ND production as this one has a "(c), 2008, Linda Oppen" it also
has a cd of GO reading (over the years). all this brand new. and the book cost me more than the S & H !
"There are things
We live among 'and to see them
Is to know ourselves'.
George oppen
(I hope the lines get seen write .. ther in the line is the breath... just as it is!
I cld say more, however... I got Buddha beer left from yes-sir-daze's
there seems to be
noh end to
'this' until there
is
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