Tuesday, November 14, 2006

 

On Wednesday of last week, there was a book party & reading for Charles Bernstein’s latest collection, Girly Man, at Kelly Writer’s House. It was instructive to get to hear Bernstein & Barrett Watten in something akin to a back-to-back format to get a sense of just how very wide the range of poetries can be that are known historically as language writing, for while their deepest long-term goals are quite similar, their strategies as poets could not be further apart. Nor are these the only two poles of difference one might find among the langpos – take Clark Coolidge, especially the early work, & Rae Armantrout as two others & maybe you will start to get a sense of just how radically wide – or perhaps widely radical – langpo truly is. Maybe add another axis with Hannah Weiner & Tina Darragh as its “logical” pair of opposites. You could take any five of these examples & then pose the question about the sixth, Why is he/she a language poet? and it would almost feel like a plausible question.

Of all the language poets, Watten is perhaps the closest to the tradition of the troubadours, and especially of the concept of trobar clus, a literature that pulls out all the stops & tries to be all that language might be, that makes conscious demands on readers & expects them to actually want these demands, & to understand the pleasure that comes in reading a dense (if not “difficult”) text. The experience at the end of one of Watten’s works, especially those that go more than a single page, is not dissimilar from the feeling one has at the end of a good workout in the weight training facility, or perhaps great sex – one feels the muscles used, there is a “burn” that lingers, an exhilaration integral to the event. The ambivalence and irony that circulate about the title of Watten’s masterpiece, Progress, operate on so many different levels, for example, that one never fully exhausts them: it is true & not true at a dizzying rate.

This approach places Watten into a literary tradition that has clear antecedents in the work & life of Louis Zukofsky, with some aspects of Ezra Pound, with the Williams of Spring & All, and beyond them with the critical writing – and the role of critical writing – of Coleridge. If Watten is a troubadour, he is most definitely an Enlightenment one. He comes closer to Habermas’ model of returning to modernism – Watten’s preferred term is constructivism – and this time getting it right than any other poet I have ever met. As a result, Watten is the ideal test case for an argument – my argument, anyway – that langpo ultimately is not post-modern, but rather an argument with modernism & postmodernism alike.

If Watten’s approach to the reader is in your face, Bernstein comes from virtually every other direction. He is the most Brechtian poet America has yet produced, concerned not with demonstrating everything language can be (indeed, there is a deliberate slightness to his writing), but rather unveiling all the social processes through which we process – and by inference misprocess, dysprocess, malprocess – all the language we consume. I sometimes imagine Watten’s poems as being not unlike the monolith in the film 2001: A Space Odyssey. They’re inescapable & force readers to confront the Other. Bernstein’s poems, in contrast, are more like the deadpan (but deadly) computer HAL in that same flick: I’m sorry, Dave. I cannot do that.

I think it’s easy – and this is the primary risk in Bernstein’s work – to mistake him for, or take him merely as, a “funny poet,” the hip version of Billy Collins. It’s possible to read Girly Man just this way, consuming it straight through because it goes down as easily as a comic novel. In fact, a good reading of this book would prove to be almost the antithesis of that. Take a look, for example, at this close reading I did more than three years ago of “Thank You for Saying Thank You,” one of the key poems collected in this edition. It is, of course, completely possible to read that poem straight through, to sense the ironies, and to move on. But to actually read the poem takes an effort of a whole other order. And the poem doesn’t necessarily let you know that.

I vacillate as to whether Watten or Bernstein has the much more reader friendly model for poetry. In one sense, you can get there, wherever there might be, either way. But it is possible – I know because I’ve heard people make the argument – to say that Watten writes only for those willing to make the effort to get deeply into his poems & that to others his work can seem intimidating. However, Bernstein writes in a way that allows some – how many is anybody’s guess – to think they’re reading him when they’re not getting it at all. That is exactly the point being made in “Thank You for Saying Thank You,” but how many will really follow through, acting on the implications of that text? Watten comes as close as is humanly possible to ensuring that nobody who attempts to read his poetry seriously is going to misread it. Bernstein flirts with that result all the time.

One consequence of this is that I know readers who love one of these poets & despise – basically just don’t get – the other. My argument would be that you need to understand, to really “grok” in Robert Heinlein’s sense of that term, the logic within each path. Both, I would argue, are absolutely necessary.

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"Of all the language poets, Watten is perhaps the closest to the tradition of the troubadours, and especially of the concept of trobar clus, a literature that pulls out all the stops & tries to be all that language might be, that makes conscious demands on readers & expects them to actually want these demands, & to understand the pleasure that comes in reading a dense (if not “difficult”) text. The experience at the end of one of Watten’s works, especially those that go more than a single page, is not dissimilar from the feeling one has at the end of a good workout in the weight training facility, or perhaps great sex – one feels the muscles used, there is a “burn” that lingers, an exhilaration integral to the event. The ambivalence and irony that circulate about the title of Watten’s masterpiece, Progress, operate on so many different levels, for example, that one never fully exhausts them: it is true & not true at a dizzying rate."

Are there Ron, easy poems? This dichotomy you propose is yours. Perhaps everyone's but uniquely yours as you are quoted as saying it. :)

Roses are red, violets are blue.

Close reading? Sure there is.

Navel gazing of the author? Well, there is only so much a person can take when it comes to a poet concentrating on HIM/HERSELF. It is a LAW in poetry that in order to violate it, one must have a very, very interesting navel in the first place.

Is Bernstein's navel all that interesting? I guess then, we'd have to go back a day in time to Curtis' statement about the politics of the poet. Do we need to know them, endure them, understand them, embrace them or simply reject them "just like that!" because we all 'know better'.

What does anyone of us know? Not much. We only know what we BELIEVE to be true and your close reading is a very pleasing way to analyse how YOU analyse such a thing but it isn't extraordinary in my guestimation. It says, "are the premises on which the poem is based" actually true to anyone other than the reader who, in this case, is also the author. As all poems are.

Like Marxism. Based on a one sided analysis of economic principles that Marx never bothered to really investigate prior to foisting them onto everyone in his sphere...including the maid he used but never paid her and fathered a child by her and never acknowledged.

All things are like this you know.

Art can be political but when it is, and veers off from the merely "poetical" or "beautiful"...it treads on thin ice depending on the audience and the literacy history of that audience. Narrower and narrower. All the way down to elitist. Damn.

Accessible is the other end of that spectrum and this poem counts on a bit of the "old boy philosophy" of I say what I mean...like Dubya...smokin' 'em outta their caves and such. Is it really any different? Just playing around with such notions for the untrained and trained alike?

I dunno. I just think that a poem like this can be written by ANYONE and it doesn't really advance me as a poet let alone a person who isn't a poet and understands all that is involved in a life long study of "things" in general or in specific.

Lilac agrees.
 
Coolidge is of an earlier generation. His Ing, Space and other early efforts clearly precede the appearance of the so-called Language School. The Maintains and Polaroid were published essentially as homages to the antecedents, choosing the past to better define (and influence) the future. And though he technically is contemporary with LangPo, Michael Palmer is also pre-LangPo. Coolidge's preoccupations with jazz, geology, and the psychological terrain of Surrealism pre-date the "political" concerns of Watten, Bernstein, Silliman, and the rest. Palmer's preoccupation with philosophical dilemmas and metaphysical wit are almost Quietist, though clearly post-Modern in every way.

Watten's early work is not difficult. Progress and Bad History are heavier going; while Total Syntax and The Constructivist Moment can be dense--the second collection also carries a load of jargon that it's best to become familiar with before trying to follow the argument. In fact, his poetry has always seemed to me like candy, sweet and delectable, with satisfying rational apprehensions of phenomena at every point.
 
There were SO MANY people (many of them good friends) nothing short of pissed off when, years ago, against their advice, against their whispers, I went to hear Charles Bernstein read, only to report back how I believe genius what at hand and that they were missing out. At this point I still was unclear if the other rumors about him were true, that he was a wicked tyrant who LOVED more than anything to attack anyone not part of his camp. Seriously, after meeting him later for the first time with a couple other friends who also wanted to see what his story was, we burst out laughing over beers. Laughing at the jackasses trembling with their rumors. He was ANYTHING but those rumors. Turns out he is someone hell-bent on writing the best possible poems he can, and is as generous a human being as he is a hard working writer. A hard working writer who BUILDS community, not interested (as far as I've ever witnessed) in tearing community apart. How the hell do rumors of this sort ever get started anyway?

I mean, YES, he criticizes poetry, YES, he is not someone who talks out of both sides of his mouth and wants to make clear how he sees poetry. But so do these others. Bernstein remains a threat and that threat must remain an essential ingredient for forward motion. The warm bath water of the "school of quietude" is FINALLY admitting it's bored with itself. Seriously, have you read THIS ARTICLE YET? (OH MAN, John Barr himself calling his peers "stagnant," YOUCH! Oh John, John, John, Dear John! HEHEHE! OH!)

One of the people who told me how horrible Charles Bernstein is ALSO claims that Alice Notley is a LANGUAGE POET, no kidding. And this is not some armchair poet who told me this, this is someone with degrees in poetry, many books published, and teaches poetry in a very well respected MFA program. WHAT RUBBISH! It's a disgrace I only have a high school diploma and know MORE about poetry than this professor teaching it.

By the way, Alice Notley also gave a reading at the Kelly Writers House just days before Charles Bernstein's event, and she blew every mind in the room, especially when she read her new poem "Grave of Light." I'm looking forward to checking PENNSOUND for MP3 files from both of those readings to listen to them again. But I wish there was video for Bernstein's, as his physical reading is REALLY SOMETHING ELSE, gets PUNK ROCK at times! Wonderful!

Barrett Watten however-- okay, I'll get hate mail, but this is how I feel regardless. Barrett Watten is another of these poets I've heard about over the years, how boring he is, how annoying he is. He did annoy me. Let me start with that.

It's the annoying little things he does, like explain the project he's doing in detail (which is fine), but then explain it again while it's underway, JUST IN CASE WE'RE TOO STUPID and need him to hold our hand through the process. OH LORD did that annoy me. Like when he explained the project with taking the photographs with the other photographer's photo in his photo, which I admit I liked very much, BUT DID NOT LIKE, nor did others, trust me, when he had to point out that the other photographer's photo is inside the photograph. We got it. We got it, you EXPLAINED all of that in detail BEFORE the project got underway.

And he read too damned long. There were things that were WONDERFUL, like the work with PATTERSON, which was an engaging project! The ink blots, that was also wonderful to hear what he had to write against those images. The work is so good, ESPECIALLY hearing from his memoir, which will one day be a very important historical document, I'm sure. But that middle LONG section with the essays, and the scramble to not have the equipment together, to not know where the pages were on the computer screen, all that just irritated me.

So many people have told me over the years what a bore Watten is. I disagree, not where the work is concerned. But why doesn't he realize when it's too much? How old is he and he STILL doesn't realize that if he STOPS at a certain point we'll WANT to investigate his work further on our own? Part of me wishes I had LEFT when I wanted to leave so that I could have left with a more positive feeling about the reading. After having been engaged with some of the work it's a damned shame that it went on so long that I forgot what I liked.

Look Ron, if poeple come to Bernstein and Watten's work on the page, and only on the page, there's no doubt in my mind they'll be challenged and engaged, and want more of both. But through the experience of hearing them read, Bernstein will gather many more interested minds around his work. Bernstein MAKES YOU WANT to read everything he writes.

CAConrad
AN OPEN LETTER TO JOHN BARR, PRESIDENT OF THE POETRY FOUNDATION
 
Ah, isn't that nearly always the case when two poets with vastly distant styles are compared side by side? Readers who love one, are ultimately frustrated by the other. Your advice is key...understand the logic behind the words. Exactly.

Thank you for yet another good read.
 
CA, it seems true of all poets: give 'em 5 minutes to bask in the light an they'll take 45, sometimes 60.
 
CAConrad,

re: the opening (I guess arch, rhetorical?) salvo in your Open Letter to John Barr --
<< Dear Mr. Barr, first the Democrats take back control, then Rumsfeld steps down, and then, AND THEN, you finally admit to being bored with the company you keep in the latest issue of POETRY Magazine....>>
-- um, that essay of Barr's is from the September 2006 issue. Your chronology doesn't track. Just fyi.

cheers,
d.i.
 
David, yes I know September was before November, but it didn't circulate widely until just now. So I'm treating it as news, at least to me. Maybe because you read it in September it's old news now, but thanks for the tip.

CAConrad
 
David, I'm not sure the chronology matters. It's all part of the same miasma.
 
okay :-)

The reason I was aware of the Barr article some time ago (anecdotally), is because an American guy in New Delhi posted to a mainly-South-Asian writers' network that I hang out at, posing some general idea-questions based on Barr's ruminations. [department of small woild] I did in fact (on said network] mention the fact the chap was lamenting the lack of new things while seemingly studiously ignoring new things. Nonetheless, I found a few things to like in some strands of Barr's thinking.
 
Curtis, don't you agree that Ms. Miasma would be a fantastic drag name? Hmm, who could we convince to use it? What poet do we know who best fits the name?

Hmm, tough one.

CAConrad
 
CA, you're such a tease.

With the raised salute my jolly roger, here's wishing you a meat-free Thanksgiving.
 
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Portrait by Didi Menendez

Ron Silliman has written and edited over 30 books, and had his poetry and criticism translated into 12 other languages. Silliman was the 2006 Poet Laureate of the Blogosphere, a 2003 Literary Fellow of the National Endowment for the Arts and was a 2002 Fellow of the Pennsylvania Arts Council as well as a Pew Fellow in the Arts in 1998. He has a plaque in the walk dedicated to poetry in his home town of Berkeley, although he now lives in Chester County, Pennsylvania and works as a market analyst in the computer industry.


NB: This blog receives a steady stream of review copies of books of poetry, fiction, criticism & theory. While less than ten percent of these books are ultimately reviewed here, it should be presumed that any book review on this weblog is of a volume originally obtained as a review copy.


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