Tuesday, May 09, 2006

 

A read-through of Bay Poetics, Stephanie Young’s new anthology of Bay Area poetry, leaves one with a distinct impression that one possible impact of online typesetting is that the next generation in poetry is becoming much more hesitant about leaving the safe anchor of the left margin. While there are clearly exceptions to this – Chris Chen, Logan Ryan Smith & Dennis Somera stand out – most of the poets here who treat the left-hand margin as an option rather than a requirement are the likes of Joanne Kyger, Nate Mackey, Kathleen Fraser (working now also in variable type sizes as well), Larry Kearney, Susan Gevirtz.

One wonders what the longer term implication of all this might be. It’s conceivable that in ten years’ time the web will prove as resilient and easy to set type with the sort of point-by-point variations that Paul Blackburn adapted for his late work, but right now, frankly, it’s a pain & one cannot guarantee that what looks good in Firefox will look the same in Internet Explorer or Opera or what else have you. So younger poets are doing what seems obvious enough, which is returning to the margin or else never thinking really about departing therefrom. I sometimes have the sense of a generation of swimming students, afraid to let go of the edge of the pool.

But I’m clearly of the age of the typewriter. Ezra Pound was the first U.S. poet to make this machine – which evolved from an experimental piece of machinery to a much more standardized piece of equipment during the Civil War because it made reports from the field more readable and reliable (and no accident here that Remington, major manufacturer of rifles, was likewise one of the first major producers of this military product) – his normal mode of composition. Nor that Pound was the one who led American poets away from the left-hand margin. Make what you will of the fact that his finest single work, The Pisan Cantos, was written by hand on scraps of paper in a wire cage in the mud of a prison camp in Italy.

The New American poets – from Olson to Ginsberg to Duncan to Whalen to Blackburn to Snyder to McClure – were the ones who really moved away from the margin. A poet like Larry Eigner is unthinkable without the typewriter. To center his poems on the page, Michael McClure (and along the way a volunteer typist or two) had to count out the characters in every line and count backwards from the center space. Today, that’s a simple Control-C in Microsoft Word, so simple in fact that the practice appears to have declined in recent years.

I first learned to write poetry on a heavy manual Olympia typewriter that belonged to my grandfather. As a teenager, I’d haul the thing out from its stand in a corner of the dining room – the only use my grandfather ever gave it was to type up minutes for his Veterans of Foreign Wars meetings once in a rare while – and set it atop the kitchen table, typing away until it was time for bed. When I left home, my first pay check in my first job went not to rent but to buy a typewriter of my own, a little red Royal portable that cost, if memory serves, a princely sum of $125 back in the fall of 1964. When that puppy died – I dropped it in my apartment five years later – I immediately went out and bought a new one, preferring to give the landlord a complicated story and be a couple of weeks late on the rent. I had had to forego the machine for maybe three weeks back in 1968 when it was in the shop – a key broke off – and I tried to handwrite my poems on legal tablets. Later, when I typed up these manuscripts, they were almost all exactly one typewritten page long.

When I got my first grant from the National Endowment for the Arts, I immediately went out and bought a $800 IBM Selectric, a machine I had coveted for some time. This, I was sure, was going to last me for decades. I made a point of getting a three-year service contract and carefully selected three font-balls of type. Within four years, I had stopped using it for my poetry (tho I continued to do so for correspondence), heading in to my office at the California Institute of Integral Studies to use a PC there. When I finally got my own PC in 1986, I held on to the Selectric for awhile, tho I found myself using it only to fill out grant forms once a year or so. At last I gave the Selectric to my mother, until a combination of her failing eyesight and some necessary repairs caused her to junk it.

I don’t think of myself as a poet-of-the-typewriter, tho there are clearly sections of The Alphabet, in particular, that reflect the impact of the New Americans on my own sense of the verse stanza. But I can escape what I see in Bay Poetics: poets who treat the lefthand margin as an option are almost always “of a certain age.” And I wonder what the Norton anthologies of two hundred years from now will look like – will poets have all moved back to the margin? Or will the idea of writing for two-dimensional surfaces have become obsolete? The possibilities are worth contemplating.


comments:
It's so true. Yet, I don't think it's happening because young poets necessarily like "left-justified"; it's because most Internet publishers (myself included) don't know how to get "projective" verse up there. I, for one, still write a lot of projective stuff; but, because ("The Tiny" & a few other places notwithstanding)there seems to be a dearth of good post-avant print journals, I suppose (along with others of my generation) that I'll just have to "wait for the book". Or, the technology for "Net projective". Sounds like a good name for a journal, actually: "Net Projective".
 
The medium is the message. Where have I heard this before?

The invention of the typewriter changed forever the way people write, just as the printing press changed the way people thought about language.

The same way the computer has changed our conception of print. The seemingly unlimited data memory has cheapened the value of the word, to such a degree that books will never catch up; they've fallen too far behind. Speed and capacity beyond our dreams.

But quality is still a fixed form. It's not a fluid. Homer was to his audience, but we don't have "Homer"--we have our version. We may never have Emily Dickinson's version. We may never be able to "go back" to recapture the feel of the older technologies. It's sort of like riding in a pick-up, watching the world going away from you. Facing the past.
 
Ron, thanks for these thoughts. I'm with Curtis-- quality is a fixed form. But I'm not completely sold on the Internet as a root cause of current trends in margination.

A somewhat longer look is available over at my blog today.
 
it's easy enough to publish all kinds of textual variations online if the web-publisher uses pdf's. that takes no knowledge of html whatsoever and also makes printing out what you've found online a more attractive option.
 
Yeah, I’m trying to learn CSS so I can put up stuff like that. It’s hard to get something online as simple as one of WCW’s variable foot poems in those three-line strophes.

In the meantime, you can use things like en and em dashes colored white (or whatever) or the old   to space stuff out.

But then what about curved lines, or overlapping lines? Those are things a computer can do pretty easily, with a layout app, but it’s pretty hard to get it onto the web unless you go to PDF.

Maybe we should have a discussion among poets of new text tools? The digital arts types talk a lot about tools, but maybe more letterary people should starting talking about moving beyond word processors for our work.
 
Um, I forgot to escape my code for a non-breaking space. So when you see the gap in “the old to space,” read “& nbsp;“ (without the space between the & and the rest).
 
In the Pacific Northwest there were all these old hand-set presses available for the taking in the 70s. A lot of literary presses were hand-setting type at that point still, but the commercial presses had long ceased to use them due to the labor-intensive aspect. We used to have one of these in the basement of the CAB building at Evergreen State that someone had rescued from some old printer, and many of us did our first books on it. Susan Gevirtz did at least one book that way -- it was a strange incredible time-wasting procedure where you had to find matchsticks with the letter on the end in a certain font, and then set a word by lining up these matchsticks with one hand, while holding the whole poem or whatever with the other hand so that all the matchsticks didn't fall down, and then put in a blank, and then start the next word. At any point the whole thing could fall down, and you had to start over. A woman named Rusty North did hundreds of books this way although she only had a stump instead of a right hand. She was the one who had rescued the press. She taught Susan and I how to do it. I don't know if anybody is still producing books on those old machines anywhere in the world today.

It was hard to get the left margins to line up completely, so that's why I thought the margins were so wobbly in contemporary poetry from that period. It's only recently that I realized that people were actually choosing to goof up the left margin on purpose.

I'm kidding about this last paragraph, Curtis.

Personally I think that marginal leftists should be more highly prized than they are by this blog's author.
 
the pre /pre tags work pretty well, if you're pasting preformatted text. use a monospace font like courier for best results. html & ascii codes for space are handy to know. as is knowing how to code blockquotes & relative margins.

or you could just post a cropped screen shot as an image. (erica kaufman does this on her blog, for instance, as do many online journals.)

i use a manual typewriter (never liked electrics--too spastic), but mostly for revisions. i write longhand first (usually, this is slowly changing to writing directly on the computer). then type, retype, and retype on a manual olivino until the poem "feels" right physcially. i need the impressed paper and the process of striking the keys with more pressure than a computer keyboard. (altho, i am a self-identified margin hugger, so mostly i'm feeling my way through the line breaks & syllable/sound distributions with my fingers on the ollie. manual typewriting = enforced slowness, deliberateness.)

i noticed something interesting yesterday. in ernesto priego's book *not even dogs* (just out from meritage) he has a sequence that appears in reverse numerical order, 10-1, instead of the usual 1-10 way. he posted the poems on his blog 1-10, but i wonder if later he just got used to looking at them in blog-style reverse chronology?

maybe that's coincidental.

i do think, like you seem to ron, that the tools used make a difference in what is made on them/with them. a painter that prefers a fine brush makes very different images than one who wields a palette knife.
 
This is something I've said before to the annoyance of others, but, I'm saying it again anyway.

Justified Left OR Justified Right makes the opposite side of the poem the gift. So much can happen on the right side of the lines falling catching falling catching DROPPING off catching again. One side sheer drop the other brutal leap, but the beauty in that.

And, is this perhaps a help to someone, this is a cut and paste map I've made to refer to for adding space for online poems. It's only a matter of time before this is obsolete.

SPACING FILE:

1
 

2
  

3
   

4
    

5
     

6
      

7
       

8
        

9
         

10
          

11
           

12
            

13
             

I vowed to NEVER print out that little bastard code again, just copy and paste the damn thing!

CAConrad
hOOtamizah azSay DEVIANT PROPULSION
 
oops, the file disappeared on impact. oh well, hehe! that's so funny! it was the whole " " code in a collection up to 13.

oh well,
Conrad
Help build THE PHILADELPHIA POETRY HOTEL
 
OH IT'S LIKE MAGIC! i just tried to put the code between quotations
Conrad
Help build THE PHILADELPHIA POETRY HOTEL
 
here's a tip, conrad (or anybody who would like to view conrad's invisible code). use the "view source" function of your browser, while your're in this comment thread. (in safari, for instance, "view source" is an option under "view" in the top menu.) a new window will pop up, and if you look for conrad's first comment, you can see that he's inserted &.n.b.s.p. code [without the dots i've put there] multiple times. :)
 
i think meritage press's wine-bottle logo influenced my typing above. i mean my olivetti. i don't know what an olivino is, if anything.
 
i did not know that about the pisan cantos

but i think there is something to that

does the machine become the form?

in an age of verbal and printed excess we would do well
all of us
to limit our poems
to moments of desperation

read recently oscar wilde's comment to the effect that the best poets are the most unpoetical of people...it is the lesser poets who are fascinating...they live out the poems they are unable to write

oscar's final poems are
his most poignant

perhaps poetry is like religion
in the sense of mercia eliade's
judgment of man as a ritual being
..either we find a home in a tradition (or a form)..or...often to our own detriment, we create our own rituals (forms)
 
It's very difficult reading a poem that breaks the tyranny of the left margin -- to an audience, I mean.

Lately I've tried signaling where the words are with my body. Lean to the left, upright for center, and then to the right. Very exhausting. I tried hiring a mime to do this but every one I have tried is impertinent.

Anybody know of a good mime near St. Paul? Thanks.
 
"And I wonder what the Norton anthologies of two hundred years from now will look like – will poets have all moved back to the margin?"

that seems to imply that all of the great poets of this generation will be spawned from internet blogging. which is a slightly too hubristic view for my liking.

"The New American poets – from Olson to Ginsberg to Duncan to Whalen to Blackburn to Snyder to McClure – were the ones who really moved away from the margin."

perhaps this is merely me reading into this, but this seems to imply (vaguely in the tone) that poetry should continue to build upon itself--what has come previous. perhaps that is the case as one would not want to continue to do the same, but i see ginsberg reaching back to whitman, gleaning over elliot/pound/crane. and if that is the case (i am quite sure that i am not nearly as well read as all of you) then there really should be nothing wrong with reaching past what has become the past for something else... as long as what is now and then is not ignored.

so. basically. i'm trying to suggest that perhaps this is not a result of the form and perhaps a refusal to adopt what is new. given. does it have any legitimacy?

it is an interesting question. and i apologize for my inability to truly make any case for what i attempt to say as i struggle to hold upon every reference.

-a very obvious first post.
zach.
 
Welcome Zach to the real world of modern poetry (as you apparently have just stepped out of the Romantic period). It is peopled by those who mistake their cohorts(the racists/bigots) for decent people and call decent people bigots and racists. They talk about politics (when no one is looking) as if they actually know what is going on. They REALLY like to believe they have influence over the world by using such inane tactics but the fact is, a poem that is typed weird is just a poem that is typed weird. It is not understood by anyone but like the Emperor's Depends Adult Diaper, it fails to hold water let alone bullshit.

Then they equate all muslims with Osama bin Ladens and call it a day.
They never discuss the role of Zionism in their poetry lives even though the whole scam of this type of 'marginalization' is what it is...a way of keeping out people who do not conform to their horrible hypocritical standards. Why, they have even learned how to encrypt their messages!

Discussing the margins is a way of pretending that they actually know what makes good poetry great and lousy poetry lousy. The peons (as John Hanson has pointed out) must either conform to their idiotic play or get out and live in anonymity. Here we have a perfect example of several people who enjoy the game because let's face it, there aren't that many great poets. No more than any other time on the planet but there are a lot of people 'who would like to be'. It isn't something you can learn you know. It is a gift. Ron forgot to mention that...as is his usual. The GIFT for writing doesn't figure into the 'x,y,z' of his peculiar alphabet which is known not only for its arrogance but also for its hostility to humans "who don't measure up" to his glaringly high standards of accuracy and attunement to truths and facts (which exist no where in his posts and in fact, he is constantly being caught misrepresenting well known facts).

It is like yes no day as a kid. We used to call it a game and now it is a business. That you Zack find yourself at a loss for words is what I like to call:

The result of being bullshitted into submission to a false ideal.
 
Let me go get some popcorn...
 
Zach, check out Ginsberg‘s ‘Wichita Vortex Sutra’ and other poems of that period for the Pound influence. The Williams influence dominates his first book: check out ‘The Archetype Poem’ and ‘Marijuana Notation.’ and dig the Eliot ref here:

OY! AH! HU! OY! AH! HU!
SHALOM! SHANTIH! SALAAM!
(Jawah and Allah Battle)

So in other words there’s no excuse to not read stuff..
 
Yes, Ginsberg's Eliot influence is little noted. Ginsberg loved cats and would have gotten along with Jessie Weston had they ever met and was rather nostalgic for the way things were before the English revolution and would roundly curse Cromwell when bored. When I met him in Milwaukee he was carrying a volume of Rupert Brooke and said he loved the lad.

He was thinking about converting to the Anglican church also until discouraged by what he saw as the corruption that set in with the Restoration.

The post avant, in general, is an anglophile movement. As is well known ...ever since Clark Coolidge was spotted in Picadilly Circus walking his civit and laughing roguishly when questioned as to just why the poor cat or whatever was wearing a monocle and looked like he might vote Tory.
 
You’re just upset because Lilac has linked you to the extraterrestrial lizards that control Kent Johnson through the auspices of the Freemasons.
 
Hell, no. That is only the cover story.
 
ian--

i didn't mean "not to read" but merely to refuse, rebel against.

apologies for not making it clear.
 
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Portrait by Didi Menendez

Ron Silliman has written and edited over 30 books to date. Silliman was the 2006 Poet Laureate of the Blogosphere, a 2003 Literary Fellow of the National Endowment for the Arts and was a 2002 Fellow of the Pennsylvania Arts Council as well as a Pew Fellow in the Arts in 1998. He lives in Chester County, Pennsylvania, with his wife and two sons, and works as a market analyst in the computer industry.


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