Wednesday, April 05, 2006

 

It was only when I began to put together this note that I realized that Zach Barochas book, Among Other Things, was not published by Flood Editions, but in fact by his own press, Cultural Society. It has the look and feel of a Flood Editions book, both print wise and design wise, and – most important of all – in terms of the poetry contained therein. Indeed, Peter O’Leary (whose brother Michael co-edits Flood) is one of the collection’s three blurbistes. It’s an interesting – perhaps telling – association for a poet who has made a living, it would seem, as a post-punk drummer for much of the past 15 years, but who lists Hayden Carruth, Denise Levertov & Muriel Rukeyser among his “heroes” on his MySpace page.

But it’s not the design of the book that made read it as tho it were a Flood Edition effort, it’s the values expressed in the poems themselves. Here is a case in point:

On Reading a Book of Poems


Pick a color, any
color (remember, black

is not a color; white,
too, is not a color).

Keep your selection in
mind & on the tip of

your tongue; hold it, let it
sit, savor its warmth or

cool. Make it primary
& don’t blend it away.

Know oblivion’s no
place for color. Vivid-

ness is key, clarity
is key, exactitude,

like purity, is key.

Right down to the use of the semi-colon to structure a complex, joined statement & the use of the ampersand to nod to his post-avant heritage, this poem enacts the very values for which it argues. It is, in that sense, almost perfect.

But perfect – in this sense – is not necessarily a superlative. Rather, it’s a desire for precision that reminds me of nothing so much as certain bug fanciers’ preference for pinned specimens under brilliant lighting to the whizzing critters of the garden. The result, as in this piece, is an open poetics striving for a closed – which is to say highly finished – poem. There is a tension in all this that can be – as this is – fascinating, precisely because Barocas sense of craft is so high that the strain of the impossible comes through as compressed energy. It’s a dynamic I find in a lot of the poems in this book & my reaction to it is positively visceral – I’m compelled to read the poems but almost want to shout No as they come to their hard-edged conclusions. I can’t think of a poet whose work has set off quite this same reaction in me since William Bronk.

It’s as if Barocas has tapped into this contradictory vein one finds in certain members of the post-avant, notably along the Zukofskyan side of things. On the one hand, here is a poet with considerable skills and a great sense of craft. On the other, the focus of all this feels so constrained as to be maddening. Just as Zukofsky himself bemused & befuddled his admirers with both his willingness to pursue open-ended innovation with great rigor, but proved so anal retentive that each copy of every book his house is said to have been stored separately in its own clear plastic cover, Barocas seems to be heading in two directions at once. In general, in Among Other Things, the person who would think to equate exactitude and purity is the one who wins outs. But in fact, I think the more interesting Barocas is (or would be) the other, the writer who would use this sense of craft to kick out the jams and boogie more.


comments:
This is the Silliman I come hear to read. Your hyper-text links were exceptional. Thank you.
 
Ah, yes, the tension between form and anti-form.

Where have I heard this before?
 
I couldn't have said it better myself. (And so, mercifully, I won't try.) But I will say that Among Other Things revived in me a love of poetry that had been dormant for over a decade.
 
Jeez, where do these crazy Zukofsky stories come from? For heaven's sake, they didn't even have plastic covers on the furniture, much less the books!
 
As one of Zach's blurbistes and a frequent contributor to his Cultural Society website, I'm a bit hesitant to put in my two cents here. Be that as it may, the tension you identify in his work has a long and honorable tradition, as you know. What was it Pound said? Dichten=Condensare? Nothing wrong with a love of precision, or even perfectionism, as long as it doesn't become obsessive, which is never the case for Barocas: the poem, no matter how short and neat, takes too many twists and turns. The same, in another register, may be true of Bronk as well.

As for kicking out the jams, listen to Jawbox, Zach's 90s punk band. There too, far more precision than one expects of the genre, with a big payoff.
 
MY GOD the coaching of the poem "On Reading a Book of Poems" is fantastic! Makes color something to savor, in fact I wasn't just keeping the idea of my selection on the tip of my tongue, you know what I mean? You can get to the TASTE in all its temperature and texture. This poem is the experience of color all at once, even makes you believe there are colors which are not colors. This is great!

To SPICEGIRL and Curtis Faville, your comments yesterday were marvelous, bravo to your fury!

But neither of you were interested in discussing HOW you see and feel class to be for yourselves? You see, I know you think working class issues pertain to your lives, I'm just not hearing how. And Curtis, no one says you don't work hard, it's not about who works hard, or who doesn't, it's just that teaching college doesn't at all to me seem like working class issues is what I was saying.

Would like to hear more,
CAConrad
R U A TRANSVESTITE BOXER?
 
Mark,

That story comes directly from Creeley.

Ron
 
Being a long time friend of the author, I found your reading of his poems astute. There is an intensity in Z. that those close to him savor and hate at the same time. His quest for that precision and incredible understanding of form, comes from dilligent study, but in a way, hides core beauty that his mind is emersed in, like an extreme close up doesn't reveal the whole scene.
A conversation with him is normally a night to be savored, and it is almost always a whole night's worth brain streching jabber. His poems are only the brief thoughts expressed between sips of coffee durring that long night, his film work is the overview, and his drumming is, of course, the beat--unique and complex.

Keep your eyes and ears on him, there will be more, and better, to come.
 
"prescision/tension" ??? Am I reading the same poem. In what ways are words like "clarity" or "purity" or "oblivion" or "key" precise? To me it's the neatness and closed quality, as well as the fussy and predictable quality of the poem that reveal its weaknesses. The praisers of this poem might find all their beloved qualities to the nth degree in Elizabeth Bishop--not to introduce her at the very time she seems to be clogging up the works on the Buffalo list-serve. This poem needs to drip a bit, let the earlier shades show through in places. I agree with Ron's specimin comparison.
 
Okay, I can buy that he might have had *some* books in plastic -- I know I keep a lot of old firsts in bags, as I suspect a lot of us do -- but examine the Meatyard photos of LZ & CZ in NYC, and you'll see great banks of bookcases without plastic bags; and I've seen room by room photos of their Port Jefferson place, with 100s & 100s of non-plasticized books.
 
There's no question Zukofsky was meticulous. However that may have been expressed in his life--some couples live lives of scrupulous attention to detail. But the life of the mind is endlessly complex, and not to be measured in such terms. Poetry likewise. I never read an LZ poem without feeling his puckish mischief--there's always a sweet comedy or (contrarily) a dourness lurking between the lines. Good God!, read the Catullus--how could anyone without a sense of the absurdity and delight of accident (and gratuitous convergence) have composed such work???

THe poem On Reading a Book of Poems is clever, and it trips along nicely. It is about process, but it teases you with the promise of cohesion just as it withholds it. It is not in strict form; it practices the continuous invention of form in the same way that Williams does--in fact, it's very much like a Williams poem from the 'Thirties or 'Forties--and of course, like Creeley as well. I rather dislike the "Know oblivion's no" which is awkward and sounds slack. But

Vivid-

ness is key, clarity
is key, exactitude

like purity, is key.

has a lovely withheld suspension. We know "key" is coming, but the lift and fall of the tension between the variation on the third "exactitude/like purity" split across those stanzas is sweet.


/-- - /

/-- -/

-/-- -

/-- -

/
 
I don't know...


On Reading a Book of Poems


Pick a color, any
color (remember, black

is not a color; white,
too, is not a color). - the 'too' is overwriting (and disturbs the flow)...

Keep your selection in
mind & on the tip of

your tongue; hold it, let it - the earlier colloquial (pick a color.., and

the now cliche 'tip of your tongue' - are weak by way of appearing

together...
sit, savor its warmth or

cool. Make it primary - warmth/cool - does not work grammatically (-ness

wouldn't necessarily rob the 'cool'-thing...((I don't speak English daily, so

perhaps the word has transcended itself...)))
& don’t blend it away. - by making it primary implies no mixing (since it was

an order) - overwriting...

Know oblivion’s no
place for color. Vivid- - this part begins to look like a poem, and sounds

like one...

ness is key, clarity
is key, exactitude, - 'key' jargon, half-life's this poem...

like purity, is key. - dit-to


It's a cute piece - the idea wonderful - the execution wanting...

funny how everyone approaches everything differently...

w.
 
nice piece.
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safecutt says
 
Your response here, Ron, has a tip of the iceberg feeling to it. I'd like to hear you talk more about when and where precision or exactitude, either in terms of prosody or philosophic argument, cross that line for you, and how you read the meaning of that resistance in yourself.

I think this might be an especially illuminating for those who feel your polemical, or at least provocative, ideas about a School of Quietude are mere p.r. partisanism, for it shows that there may be poetry where you would respect the project and the sources (Zukofsky, probably Oppen, or say H.D. possibly & the lapidarian sculpting that occurs there, maybe even Jeffers centrally tho you might find him out and out dismissable) but still find the poems (simply?) alienating to your sensibility.

The whole topic seems especially resonant given the formally constrained and precise quality of much of your work, and your alphabet project generally, relative to, say, the jam-kicking-outness of a long list of folks connected to ny-school & its slack self-exposures and/or late beat notions of unedited expressivism, etc.

Personally I think Zukofsky, in terms of prosody and even thought, is pleasantly murkier and not as good an example of what you're pointing to as, say, Oppen. To say it outright, it's difficult--still I think--to detach almost any notion of "purity" from fascistic thought & history, and when I read (or write) poetry of clarity I'm always looking for some consciousness of that troubledness, which in turn is what makes Oppen interesting to me, as it's in some ways the project of redeeming clarity and purity from fascism, separating it back out from the cult of strength, although whether it succeeds at that is worth debating.
 
Wow, Brent, what a sudden outpouring!

I agree about the hidden, unexplored deeper issues of formality that Ron often glides over in dismissing so-called practitioners of "Quietude."

I think, for instance, that Williams and Zukofsky are both more formally complex and interesting AT THE LEVEL of construction (as opposed to politics) than any of their "formalist" contemporaries. Williams is always thinking preeminently about form, whereas someone like Jeffers, whom you pertinentaly mention, composes inside a formality that is superficially "modern" in feeling but is in fact almost completely old-fashioned (stentorian like Propertius or sarcastic and satirical like Catullus).

I don't see Oppen picking up where he left off with Discrete Series. Those poems are so clean, so stripped-- Of Being Numerous feels slack by comparison--it's like he's entered the galaxy of possibility and is trying to take it all in, instead of just capturing specificities and momentary instances. The poems in Discrete Series are like snapshots of portholes on urban American during The Depression, whereas the later poems are like small overtures of music which move with universal rhythms. Curiously, both tendencies seem Platonic....

Ron's work always looks and feels to me as if he had poured his percolating sensibility into a translucent container whose shape--say, of a cube, or a sphere--always seems arbitrary and external. This externality or arbitrary formal set of requirements then "forces" the sensibility to "fit" itself into a strange new shape--in my mind, much the same way it works in Marianne Moore, where her weird stanzaic forms cause improbably strange and unexpected and otherwise absurdly inappropriate phraseologies or appropriations. Of course, in Moore, the end result always has an adamant reasonableness and "solution" (like a puzzle), whereas Ron's "sentences" which usually have no superficial relationship to each other, are linked only by the "occasion" of their time of composition (say, a 10 day period of casual meditation). What, for instance, does that bout of stomach flu have to do with that flower-vendor across the street? Or that broken pink "Open" sign over the bar with the bubblegum wad you stepped on two blocks back? These events may indeed have "happened" in reality, but what do they have to do with each other, except that they ended up in the same stanza of a poem?

Ron's methodology allows us to imagine an unintended coincidence of occurrence, whereas Moore's constructions suggest a research, a casting about for pertinent (but strained) metaphors and ways of saying what the form "wants". I.e., no one would ever "accidentally" think or write the sentences in a Moore poem--they're always "worked" and "jimmied" into proper position. Those "bits" of data that find their way into Ron's poems I always find fascinating, but I seldom think of that "worried" obsession as a basis for their inclusion. It still feels arbitrary after I've read it.
 
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Portrait by Didi Menendez

Ron Silliman has written and edited over 30 books to date. Silliman was the 2006 Poet Laureate of the Blogosphere, a 2003 Literary Fellow of the National Endowment for the Arts and was a 2002 Fellow of the Pennsylvania Arts Council as well as a Pew Fellow in the Arts in 1998. He lives in Chester County, Pennsylvania, with his wife and two sons, and works as a market analyst in the computer industry.


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