Friday, April 15, 2005

 

Feeding a bird on the head of Charles Olson

If the current regime in Washington appears to be the most hostile to intellectuals since the Cultural Revolution of the 1960s, when the People’s Republic of China sent a generation of them out to collective farms in the hinterlands for education – if they were lucky – one of the little ironies of the present historical moment is that an administration that thinks nothing of tossing overboard the last century of diplomacy in order to bring democracy to the Arab world at gunpoint, and which would happily deconstruct Social Security in order to send more of our dollars into the coffers of its contributors, has actually been good to the National Endowment of the Arts. It has not be eradicated, which had been a non-negotiable demand of a lot of conservatives heretofore. It has even had its budget expanded, albeit modestly.

There is something bordering on universal agreement that no small measure of the credit for this counter-intuitive trend can rightfully be assigned to its current chair, poet Dana Gioia. Gioia, a Republican businessman who writes poetry, has demonstrated to his peers in D.C. that there is nothing inherently un- or anti-American about the arts & has even engineered something of a rapprochement between the two constituencies.

Two programs in particular have stood out in Gioia’s attempt to return the NEA to credibility with his fellow conservatives. The first is a series of creative writing courses being taught to U.S. troops; the second, developed actually in advance of Gioia’s arrival at the NEA but so heartily taken in hand by him that it has become his signature effort, is Shakespeare in American Communities, underwriting some 1200 performances of the bard’s plays in 550 U.S. locations, mostly focusing on areas traditionally untouched by Shakespeare in the Park productions in New York City. For example, the Alabama Shakespeare Festival brought its version of Macbeth – an interesting choice given the short cuts George W took in claiming the throne in 2000 – to 13 military bases. And got $1 million in Defense Department funding to help pay for the effort. The program also has produced 25,000 education resource kits for use in schools. Shakespeare, as it turns out, is to be a unifying element for American culture, or so envisions the NEA.

Shakespeare, to my mind, is an interesting choice. One can imagine, for example, what might have happened had some other foreign playwright been imported & underwritten on a similar level. Such as Bertolt Brecht or Dario Fo. Even, I dare say, an attempt to underwrite 1200 performances of African dance or Indonesian gamelan might have had the xenophobes who populate capitol hill slicing away at the artery of federal funding that makes all this possible. Shakespeare, on the other hand, gets a pass. Nobody seems to notice, for example, that the dude never set foot in this hemisphere.

I have argued – even this week – that one of the defining elements of the School of Quietude is its sense of American art as a tributary of British culture & a national program to immerse the American psyche in the works of the glove maker’s son from Stratford sure sounds like the apotheosis of that worldview. One can only wonder what the Americans whose ancestors can’t be tracked back to the British Isles must think of this attempt to insinuate this perspective into our culture at this late date. “The thought of what America,” as the old Pound poem puts it, “would be like if the classics had a wide circulation, well it troubles my sleep.” Of the 6,379,157,361 people on this planet as of last July – the estimate is the CIA’s – just 51 million come from Great Britain, Scotland included. Roughly twice the size of Canada, but less than that of the two most populous states.

One might argue, as does Harold Bloom, that Shakespeare creates the modern psyche, regardless of nationality. Or merely that he was the greatest of playwrights or poets, a position more than a few credentialed people here & elsewhere are prepared to advocate. But the fact remains, whatever else one might wish to say about him, there is nothing American, nothing even remotely “national,” about William Shakespeare. Save perhaps for his influence always already on American writing.

When the Royal Shakespeare Company filmed its minimalist version of Macbeth for the BBC in 1979, Ian McKellen, Judi Dench, the rest of the 12-person cast & the accompanying production crew got together to simply count the number of different versions of the play they had worked on or in during the course of their careers. The total went into the hundreds. In a society the size of Britain, this obviously could have some impact. By comparison, even the ambitious program of the NEA must seem like a token effort, a drop in an ocean of just under 300 million people. Further, the context is radically different. The idea that Shakespeare in America could have the same meaning or import, even on a far smaller scale, is a fantasy.

I do see Shakespeare as a decisive influence in the work of two major American writers, Herman Melville, especially in Moby Dick, & Melville’s most direct literary descendant, Charles Olson of Gloucester. Indeed what makes Melville’s novel about the whale unique, in Melville’s own writing as well as in 19th century American letters, is the degree to which its author’s diction & imagination have been bathed, completely immersed, in the diction & drift of the Shakespearean tongue. That even accounts, I would suggest, for the book’s crash-and-burn reception when it was first published, a reaction so brutal it functionally undermined Melville’s career. No one, at least in the U.S., in the latter half of the 19th century, was prepared for a work that would not only short-cut fiction’s long march toward a pictorial (and, in some instances, psychological) realism, bypassing modernism entirely, on its route to what might now be recognizable as pomo literature. Even in the United Kingdom, writers needed to go through the realist crucible of Joyce’s “The Dead” to begin the modernist revolution in prose with Ulysses.

The echo of Shakespeare is everywhere in Olson, from Call Me Ishmael, which explicitly reads the impact of Lear on Moby Dick to Olson’s sense of quantity in verse, which he traces back to the last decade of the bard’s plays. But where I really hear it, constantly, is directly in Olson’s verse. As in this opening strophe, from a poem named for its first line:

As the dead prey upon us,

they are the dead in ourselves,

awake, my sleeping ones, I cry out to you,

disentangle the nets of being!

Or, to take another first stanza, this time from “In Cold Hell, in Thicket”:

In cold hell, in thicket, how

abstract (as high mid, as not lust, as love is) how

strong (as strut or wing, as polytope, as things are

constellated) how

strung, how cold

can a man stay (can men) confronted

thus?

So much of Olson reads as tho it were written to be shouted out over a heath, or else to be whispered to an audience, a stage whisper capable of reaching hundreds of ears at once. It is not so much dramatic monolog – tho Maximus is a persona – as it is soliloquy. Olson’s sense of how a sentence interacts with the line – something I suspect an entire generation or two has internalized so deeply we don’t even recognize it – has always struck me as coming right out of Shakespeare, far more than from Melville or Pound. This feel for the materiality of the relationship between the two is apparent, right there on the surface, in Olson, & through his influence it radiates outward. I can hear echoes in Creeley, in Duncan or Levertov, in O’Hara & Whalen & even in Ginsberg. And it ripples again, just a little more faintly, through every one of us influenced by any of them.

So the idea of all these people reading, seeing, hearing Shakespeare is, I suspect, much more of a wild card than the NEA’s leaders may comprehend. Because where it won’t lead is back to is either the homogenous retro-utopia of so many a Congressman’s dream nor to the same ol’ stuff the School of Quietude has been shoveling. Inseminating Shakespeare into the American literary landscape is far more apt to generate a bunch of wild men & wyrd sisters instead. As Olson himself most certainly was.

My own reaction to all this has been to return to Shakespeare – I’m midway through the Greenblatt biography, Will in the World, I’ve watched the Royal Shakespeare Company’s DVD of Macbeth, & I’m halfway now through a rereading of Lear. While I probably see one Shakespeare production maybe every 15 months or thereabouts anyway, I haven’t visited this body of work in this concentrated a fashion since I was a student of Jonas Barish at Berkeley some 35 years ago. I’ll let you know how it turns out.


comments:
I certainly agree that a refreshing of Shakespeare's influence is a good and probably diversifying thing, and I'm glad that the NEA's program will deliver that influence to places it may not have reached (in an engaging way, anyway), before. But I struggle with modern arts programs that reach so far back in time when there are so many intesting things happening today. Or happening, as you point out, in more specifically American art history. Do you feel that the the NEA is adequately filling a niche, attempting to correct a blind spot in our collective awareness of past greats? Or is it an statment that there isn't much happening today that is worth such celebration?

NOTE: I happen to thing Mr. Gioia's doing a good job, but I would like to see the current arts world celebrated equally with the classic.
 
I think that they're generally taking the stance that anything living is going to make their federal funders freak out unless it's totally bland and safe. They can do the canonic dead & Congress won't recognize what a radical (aesthetically, if more ambivalent politically) Shakespeare was.

Remember the fun & games of "Piss Christ" & Mapplethorpes nailed penises? Do you remember when some congressman called Michael Palmer (!?!) a pornographer?

Ron
 
Too bad Stevens, Berryman, Crane, Dickinson (a few dozen others) were such Quietudes. The Shakespeare influence comes through thicke & snoredic-ponderific. They could have been great. I blame the broccoli. I hear that Gioa got funding channeled through USBA (US Brocolli Administration) to spread thin seedy throughout this our America. Must be stopped! Awake, ye slumbrous New Ams ! Life is to short for thin broccoli, too long for sleep! Or as the Bard himself put it (Henry IX Pt 3):

My slumbrous nods, so baffled they of late
By th'enbroccolivid visions of green salads!
O what Ho doth come upon yon vegetabled
Strand, yon thicklie o'erbedizened lea -
America! Wherefore art thou, Lettuce?
 
Fascinating post. I wish I had time to make some comments.

To think that the NEA's increase in financial 'solvency' may be fertilizing the ground in which a future Leroi Jones or Edward Symmes may first gain some nourishment.

Just as some off-hand comments by John Lukacs on C-span (this weekend) about one of his favorite poets, Wendell Berry...could eventually lead a curious mind to Silliman's blog (for April 12): and introduction to 'other' or counter-traditions in poetry.

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I hope that large endowment to Poetry magazine sows these kinds of seeds as well. Or rather 'seeds' I may or may not like particularly, but we need heresy & anarchy on both the left and right (where-what-ever the 'real' direction such markers are indicating).

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Yes, I did read years ago about Michael Palmer being read into the congressional record as a pornographer. I wish I knew more...just as I wish I knew more about the trans-formations/valuations of "Symmes"/Duncan , and the real cost of the controversy re:"African Elegey" "The Homosexual in Society", and so on.

Though I know we'll here more from Lisa Jarnot's biography, and of course Ron Silliman has addressed these issues before.

And of course, readers need to check out Silliman's own detours through the FBI watchlist that he discussed last month.

Here it is March 16, 2005 entry:
http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2005/03/amidst-backwash-of-alyssa-lappens.html

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I'm going to add this comment to my blog. ( as a 'draft'); I have more to say.
 
There are left-wing and right-wing readings of Shakespeare as there are of Hegel. Charles Olson's very left-wing and pagan reading of Shakespeare in Call Me Ishmael is fascinating but it shows the endless relativism without any criteria that leads to the Maoism of our time (I don't think a society can live without some guiding values) and in the vaccuum of the left of that time have stepped race, gender, and class -- straight out of the Maoism of Berkeley SDS -- and given us Cultural Studies as an extension of the Cultural Revolution.

Gioa's attempt to stem this by "rightly" positing another version of Shakespeare -- the Shakespeare not of Greenblatt but of other and older scholars in which Shakespeare is still Christian (Northrop Frye shows his Christianity, as do Peter Milward for instance in Shakespeare's Religious Background --).

At any rate, Shakespeare is far from presenting a world without criteria of judgement. Falstaff is banished due to his mistreatment of his men, his impersonation of a king, and his mistreatment of women. While Henry gets married and stands up for his country and for the church, Falstaff abandons all values and says that they are nothing much to fight for, much as did Charles Olson.

Shakespeare is still the watershed of our language and our values. To me every play comes down firmly on the side of Lutheranism (very prevalent in Shakespeare's England) and most obvious in Hamlet who actually attends Wittenberg University where Luther taught.
 
And to stir up further controversy:

I just re-call a further 'irony': Palmer serving as Chancellor of the Academy of American Poets (1999-2004). How much changed in 25 years following his 'outsider' label in Congress?Is he now mainstream along with Robert Creeley who served in that position? (Why couldn't either of these two poets have insured that Silliman has a site at poet.org? They had 5 years to change things...though poets.org is a much more interesting, less 'vanilla' site than it used to be).

Was Palmer's position there the reason J.D. McClatchy could see fit to include Palmer in his revised edition of _The Vintage Book of Contemporary American Poetry_. Why wasn't Palmer in the first edition?

And then, I see from his introduction (read in a bookstore last month) that McClatchy believes that us readers out here will one day see what he can see (thanks so much for your ground-breaking news JD, you care so awful much): Palmer's poetry comes from the same impulses that spark the poetry of LUCIE BROCK-BROIDO.

Now, I don't believe Ron Silliman will ever win the Pulitzer Prize (as he suggested a few days ago: who need that kiss of death; though of course Oppen won in 1969) or be the Poet Laureate. BUT he might be a Chancellor at the Academy one day. I hope so. Would you accept it if you were offered?
 
Last I heard, Shakespeare wrote in the English language. I think the English language as we know it was initially produced in a country called England. As far as I know, English is the most widely-used language in the United States. I think Brecht & Fo wrote in other languages. English has had quite a big influence on American poets who write in that language. Shakespeare, I believe, wrote plays which have remained pretty popular, mainly though a combination of sophisticated language (English) & clever theatrics. Theater, I think, is a pretty good way to get some forms of poetry out before a wide public. Shakespeare, I've heard, was a pretty good writer. In English.

But this is all evil & bad, because Americans should support AMERICAN english poetry, especially that kind written by Americans, and especially Americans who have declared their political opposition to Republicans & all that ilk. This is important, because there is an insidious conspiracy underway by the so-called School of Quietude (American poets who speak & write with those phony BRITISH accents) to impose their arch-regurgitative social and political archaisms on the American People. I have spoken out against this whenever & wherever I can. This is not a Red Scare, this is a Green Scare; because we know - we know - we, the English-speaking Americans - we know that the deeper motivation behind the SoQ Conspiracy is to spread a mantle or miasma of thin seedy broccoli across this land.
 
Prithee, Sir Henry, the Queen requesteth your prethenth, poththaste, in the Green Room (2 doors down from the Star Chamber), for a dram of milkie-broccoli & a little chatte about your presente (secret) services to the Crown. Bring your jodphurs.

Gad ! I shan't have posted this to the wrong addresse now, have I? Ye Gads!
 
I'm going to make some assertions here that may seem completely weird:

1) Shakespeare is over-rated. His language, far from being eloquent, is usually tortured, Germanic in construction--in a "low" popular style, abandoned soon after The Bard expired, in des-PI-sed rhyme!

There are Shakespeare junkies who see the same plays over and over and over again--have memorized all the lines--who have little or no interest in drama or literature generally. Boring! Like hearing the same Beethoven, Bach and Brahms symphonies and concerti over and over and over.

These people should pay for their own hobbies.

2) Governments cannot legislate ART. There is NO fair way to distribute bounty (booty) amongst the general clamoring petitioners, most of whom are inevitably knaves, pretenders and slack-jawed dilettants. In our present-day PeeSee world of timid Nightingales and firey-tongued Partisans, Federal Arts money ends up willy-nilly in anyone's purse. No one can agree on who should qualify, and that's only proper.

All Arts influence should take place from the private sector, which has no responsibility to the "general welfare". Personally, I find it totally objectionable that even one penny of my taxes is distributed to support anyone to write poemsnovelsstoriesmemoirsplays or make paintingssculpturehappeningsmusic.

Government Arts Funding has NO positive effect on the arts. Indeed, it would be hard to discern any such favorable effect at all. Or, to carry it further, the fact that such effect can't be adequately determined or judged (or is embarrassedly shunned) is a clear argument against it.

One can argue strenuously against the choices and politics of private philanthropy, but at least they are expressions of the freedom of speech, and of choice, rather than the exploitation by the few of the body politic.

No better illustration of the truth of this is the idiocy and futility of attempting to justify the ways of art to politicians. They cannot understand it.

Among all the wrong-headed and wasteful things that government does with the taxes it extorts from us, Arts funding is certainly no higher on that list of sins than, for instance, subsizing tobacco growers, or selling AK-47's to renegade South American dictators, or conducting "Star Wars" research programs. But arguing for irresponsible raids on the treasury simply "because we can" is morally bankrupt. Accepting hand-outs from the government is bad no matter how it is done, and no matter who does it. Artists are not exceptions.

Arguments are routinely made by patisans on all sides that government inevitably makes the wrong choices, and is unqualified to do so, with disagreement on all sides. Great truth!!

James Laughlin and John Martin spent their own money and published whom they liked. Maybe we could get the government printing office to publish Dana Gioia's collected poems.

Government out of the Arts now!!!!!
 
It was interesting to see Harold Bloom's name pop up. I was thinking about Anxiety of Influence after Ron wrote about Frank Stanford and Henry Darger. Bloom's book confounded me as a college student 20 years ago. From what I can remember of it, Bloom's concept seems completely ridiculous. Is it worth reading again? It seems just a rationalization for the "canon."

That said, the last Shakespeare I saw was Theatre de la Jeune Lune's take on Hamlet a couple of years ago. It was great. They did Romeo & Juliet in the late 80s with a middle-age, portly and balding Frenchman as Romeo and a middle-age, portly woman as Juliet. Their Hamlet was pretty conventional, but well done.

Btw, did Hamlet "actually" go to Wittenberg or did Shakespeare just make that up? I went to Phillips Universitat but somehow managed to escape Lutheranism (and Catholicism, too).

Perhaps we should pose the same question to theater companies as to Black Sparrow with Bukowski. How many plays by others could be done if not for Shakespeare? Or does Shakespeare's continued popularity subsidize the staging of lesser known playwrights?

Also, Shakespeare's prominence reminds me of the composer Harry Partch's attitude towards Beethoven. The folks at the Guggenheim couldn't fathom why Partch wanted to study music in England instead of Germany.

Personally, I'd like to see the NEA sponsor "Georg Buchner in American Communities." Performing Woyzeck on military bases would be very educational.

As for the private sector and the arts, I don't think there is any such thing as a "private sector." The entire economic existence of the United States is subsidized by the government. This assertion is based on property rights. The government subsidizes independent economic activity by granting property rights to individuals or corporations. There isn't a piece of a land in these United States, besides the small percentage where American Indians still retain sovereignty (such as Red Lake here in Minnesota) that hasn't been controlled by the British crown pre-revolution or the U.S. government. That is the foundation of the economy. And they can take the land from you if they want to use it for something like a freeway or a secret, alien broccoli farm.

That brings me to Wendell Berry. I first learned of Berry thanks to the folks who run the community supported agriculture (CSA) organic farm that my wife and I belong to. In that context, he is an advocate for stewardship of the land, which I suppose is utopian. The farm we support is actually near Baldwin, Wisconsin. Once a week in the summer & fall here in Minneapolis we get to pick up fresh vegetables grown on the farm. This is a slightly different idea of "a self-sustaing local economy." It crosses state borders and ties the farmland to the city. It manifests itself in many ways including at the co-op that we also belong to where we buy Fair Trade bananas and other national and international produce grown by people we know are getting good wages and using environmentally sustainable agricultural methods.

This economic model seems to me very much similar to other subcultures, such as punk rock and even poetry, where we support independent record producers, bands, small presses, and poets with birds on their heads. Sometimes these "local" communities are small isolated groups that actually exchange their resources across state and international borders to support each other, publish work, present a stage for themselves.

Since it is tax day, and I am married to a CPA, and we are about to return to a more pleasant work and life schedule, I am happy to say that government money is well spent when it goes to Ron Silliman and others like him, but not so well spent when it goes to Halliburton. If only Ron got as much as Dick Cheney's pals.

Lastly, has anyone seen that PowerPuff Girls episode when the broccoli aliens infect broccoli with spores causing all adults to go to sleep and the only way for Townsville to be saved is for all the kids to eat the broccoli aliens? Very illuminating. Could the NEA fund a staging of this all across the land? If you haven't seen it, believe me, it is canon worthy.

Steve Nomansland
minneapolis, mn, usa
 
Dear Steve No Man:

This is a very original idea, that there is no private property in the U.S.:

"As for the private sector and the arts, I don't think there is any such thing as a 'private sector.' The entire economic existence of the United States is subsidized by the government. This assertion is based on property rights. The government subsidizes independent economic activity by granting property rights to individuals or corporations. There isn't a piece of a land in these United States, besides the small percentage where American Indians still retain sovereignty (such as Red Lake here in Minnesota) that hasn't been controlled by the British crown pre-revolution or the U.S. government. That is the foundation of the economy. And they can take the land from you if they want to use it for something like a freeway or a secret, alien broccoli farm."

Unfortunately, I don't think it is true. It is true that the government--under certain limited circumstances--can co-opt private land for the public good, but those instances are really quite rare, and usually newsworthy exceptions. But the relevant issue is what government does with tax money, since that is demanded of all citizens, and what private capital decides to do with its own resources.

The specific issue is the use of capital to subsidize the arts in general. As described in its documents, the U.S. government is run for promotion of the general welfare.

Art is a luxury that lives off the excess wealth of the society at large: I.e., time and excess vaule invested to produce forms of entertainment (private or public).

The notion that the government can decide what is worthy of encouragement in the world of art is poppycock.

It is not just a question of taste, but of the philosophy of aesthetics, of class, and the definition of publics.

Your assertion that my and your and everyone's money is "well spent when it goes to Ron Silliman and others like him" is a personal aesthetic judgment, subject to dispute and the difference of interests and opinions. No one competing aesthetic viewpoint is more deserving than any other.

It is as absurd for government to dictate who among the populace is deserving of subsidy to encourage the production of certain art, as it is for government to determine what matter is pornographic and harmful and therefore subject to censure and prosecution. This should be obvious to most, and I think it is.

Despite this, people in the arts community still are delighted to get hand-outs, and write grant proposals, and live off the prejudiced and biased opinion of committees and funding bureacracies. It is NOT an argument in their favor to point out all the bad things government DOES do with our money. They will say "why shouldn't we get a little, too, since Halliburton and Bechtel get so much?" But you can't have it both ways. Either everyone gets a share, in the democratic manner, or no one does. Otherwise, it's just special pleading and favoritism all the way down the line.

Government out of the Arts!!!

Steve Nomadman
 
That picture was taken in Florida, at a time Olson was renting a place from Elizabeth Bishop. I always wondered if the woman in the picture is Bishop.
 
I'm glad someone besides myself has seen the danger looming from the broccoli conspiracy. But I agree with Nomadman. Government is a natural & unavoidable consequence of social life. It's arrogant to consign "government" to some inferior "they" (even though "they" are in power). This is paranoia. WE are government, in a democracy. Fortunately WE have some checks on state power, which creates the possibility for a balance between private sector & state.

On another issue : the SoQ/post-avant theory is a mountain of polemic founded on pure special pleading. It's "us v. them" - paranoia as convenience. Why? Because literature, art & poetry are rooted in fundamental ethical & aesthetic criteria. Inner law. And ever work of art is an imperfect attempt to express that law. The effort by polemicists & literary-historical revisionists such as Silliman, Gudding & others, to promote certain forms of art & poetry on a rhetorical-collective-political basis (by which certain literary groups & trends are inherently & historically "superior" to others), is bound to fail. Because art finds its sanction only through the art itself. & collective ideologies & networks are only forms of intellectual inside trading. They corrupt the essential "work" of art - which is to express the ethical & aesthetic problem in its own original & irreducible terms.
 
Bishop?

Possibly.

Cf. this photo, which looks (based on the hairstyle) to have been taken sometime in the 1940s:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/breath/Faces_asthma/VIIA8.html
 
No, it's not Bishop. & it's a fake bird.
 
Silliman writes:

"When the Royal Shakespeare Company filmed its minimalist version of Macbeth for the BBC in 1979, Ian McKellen, Judi Dench, the rest of the 12-person cast & the accompanying production crew got together to simply count the number of different versions of the play they had worked on or in during the course of their careers. The total went into the hundreds. In a society the size of Britain, this obviously could have some impact. By comparison, even the ambitious program of the NEA must seem like a token effort, a drop in an ocean of just under 300 million people. Further, the context is radically different. The idea that Shakespeare in America could have the same meaning or import, even on a far smaller scale, is a fantasy."

Ron, literature is not a subset of demographics. The Bible was written & performed originally by a few thousand people. It remains an influence on billions, for better & for worse. Writing is not a subset of sociology. Poetry is not a subset of advertising. "Post-avant" is not a brand name for your folks. "Quietude" is not a brand name for their folks. Poetry is not a game of market shares. Language is not a thing. Language is a mystery.
 
This is a correction of my last post. I don't own a copy of the _Vintage Book of Contemporary American Poetry_, but J.D.McClatchy makes a lame attempt at comparing Michael Palmer with Ellen Bryant Voigt.

I have a personal axe to grind. At a poetry workshop I took from McClatchy long ago, he went around the room asking for favorite poets . I said "Rilke", and he pursed his lips, making that 'cinching' sound when the tonque pursues the roof of the mouth (making that chewing-gum snapping noise), and said, " I lo-o-oathhh Rilk-ahh!".

I felt my solar plexus cringe in languishing sickness and dis-eased extension. How could this be. I was naive. I had memorize the first Duino Elegy, and began to recite it. He smiled appreciatively, but made no comment,looking at me with a 'poor boy' look.

I was devastated, after years of investment and no pay off, I had to ask. What was I looking for? Is this how a poet of this influence and prestige conducts business?

If I hadn't had the chance to talk to Octavio Paz in private for about 5 minutes, to keep me adhering to this course, I would have abandoned this pursuit of 'truth' ('like happiness, and it will not stand'-Oppen) I would surely not be reading poet's blogs today.

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Second axe to grind. Listen Henry, your Blog, which you have post-poned is a fine thing to read. But I have to go on the offensive here. Not much has changed in the tone of your remarks from the Buffalo Poetics Listserv from back in the late 90's when I quit reading that list. What's the deal? I don't get it. One of the last things I remember, is that you were thrown of the list, and I remember feeling awful.

Just like I felt when McClatchy admonished me for my love of Rilke. But my god man, you go on like a broken record.

Language is a mystery. Duncan says, "Mystery is the SCENE (my emphasis) revealed of what cannot be revealed".

What are you talking about? Don't fall for it: language is a mystery? You're not talking about the 'charged' space that words 'environ' in a poem when you sound the thing, is it?

I refuse to get in an argument in this space? Write me if you want. As I said, I will not use this space to render 'attacks' (and I'm not attacking you personally, or do not want to). As I said, I quit the Poetics list because of this kind of 'tongue cinching'. I will not discuss this issue further in "Blog comments", so wail away if you want.

(Apologies in advance, for un-necessarily causing you dis-couragement).
 
There are many Shakespeares. And many takes. Culinary takes, religious takes, sociological takes, etc. The diversity of readings and readers is amazing. Every year each play has 800 articles published in professional journals. So you can't even keep up with ONE play unless that's ALL you're doing.

For some it's worth doing. I only read the articles that deal with Shakespeare's Lutheran themes. That's only three or four a year and most of them are short. It would be boring if everybody read the same way, or if every poet had the same criteria.

I like Charles Olson for being such a birdbrain at times. His own particular kind of birdbrain. His remarks on Shakespeare are amazing in Call Me Ishmael. I don't see why we have to agree, or why we have to try and drown one another out.

I think Silliman's sociological take is interesting -- he's at the very least open-minded and erudite. I also think language is a mystery.

But I don't think we have to choose to impose one way of looking at poetry on everyone. They did that in the Soviet Union and all the poets wanted out.

I recently read a book on Mexico in the poets of the 50s by Glenn Sheldon and he takes Gregory Corso to task for not showing more solidarity with the Mexican proletariat. The book is called South of Our Selves, and he ranks poets (Williams, Kerouac, Corso, Ginsberg, Levertov, and Hayden) according to how well they express sympathy for the Mexican proletariat.

So what if all our poets just started going to Mexico and fell slobbering with sympathy over their working class. Pretty embarrassing, right? And what good would it do if Corso were to have done that? Corso had a different set of criteria in his Mexican poems. Sheldon can't see it because he's blinded by his own lense.

I think this is the problem with having a single criterion.

One of the interesting things about great poets is that they invent new criteria -- as Whitman does in tossing out all the baggage of the old world and saying let's look at the carpenters on the roofs and the schooners and the people walking in Central Park right in front of us. The development of new criteria is the development of new poetry.

To impose any old criteria on anyone is just boring. It's ok for Silliman to work out his own criteria without being badgered into uniformity.

There are other things to eat besides broccoli, luckily.
 
Thanks for sending me back to Charles Olson's Shakespeare -- the Shakespeare-wants-to-be-a- projectivist essay -- gripping stuff! but difficult reading now, because my copy of the Selected Writings is held together only by paste and prayer, from serious overuse in the 70s. Is it, I wonder, distinguishable: the influence of specifically Olson's Shakesepeare?
 
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