Friday, February 13, 2004
I
know Alice Jones not through the literary world, but
the political one – among the progressive scene of the San Francisco Bay Area,
especially the left medical & therapeutic communities, she & I have
several friends in common. Indeed, I met Jones well before I knew that she
wrote & before she published her first collection, The Knot, after winning a contest with Alice
James Books back in1992. At the time, my sense was that
·
Tsering Wangmo Dhompa
·
·
Pattie McCarthy
·
Elizabeth Robinson
·
Edward Smallfield
·
Cole Swenson
– tho you will find Edward Kleinschmidt
Mayes and Valerie Coulton there as well, as if just
to verify that my first take wasn’t entirely an hallucination.
Now,
however, I’m holding Gorgeous
Mourning in my hands, Alice Jones’ newest volume just out from
Apogee. This book frankly is a revelation. It’s a sequence of 72 prose poems,
ranging in length from short to very very short, that
are as tightly composed as anything I’ve read in ages. While some retain a
vestige of narrative lyric, they do so with a tautness & precision so exact
as to border on the impossible, such as “Bristle”:
In the car, she reached over to stroke his thigh, he pulled away. The
radio was saying “Skirmishes broke out along the border” and he wanted to argue
causes, economy or culture. She thought of the Dalai Lama’s one naked shoulder,
a life of feeling the wind in an armpit, exile.
One
can certainly build a narrative out of these three simple enough elements, but
even if one hears the second & third meanings within, say, border, the leap from thigh to shoulder & armpit is
such a bold sideways stroke as to give this piece a depth & resonance it could
not carry simply as “tale.” The final exile
rings all that much more loudly for it.
Some
of the poems here flirt with the new sentence, such as “Circle,” but my
favorites are those that hold onto just enough of their traditional frameworks
to empower the shifts within a disruptive as well as connective function,
particularly when Jones lets her ear drive the forward logic of the writing. A
good example is how “Reply” takes off from the mode of the letter:
Dear one, remember our moon-set walk
across the trestle bridge, trees full of parasitic mistletoe? Are you still
eating beef tendon and gristle soup with noodles? My unattended yard now blooms
with purple thistles. They fire guided missiles from the mainland, pointed like
flying fish, landing with a piscatory splash off-shore. Piss-poor shots, I’d say. The pistil is to stamen
as mortar is to pestle, as heart is to well-aimed pistol, as I am to your
epistle. Missing you, yours.
Read
that aloud a few times. The stl combination
occurs eight times in 80 words, not counting how it crosses the line with the pĭ combination from such outliers as piscatory & Piss-poor (let alone parasitic, purple, pointed). This poem
is a feast for the ludic ear.
There
are times, & this would seem to be one of them, when a poet so transcends
the roots of whichever tradition they chose, that any reader has to acknowledge
that they’ve arrived as a major writer whatever their aesthetic stripe. I might
place Alice Jones alongside the likes, say, of Robert Hass,
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Thursday, February 12, 2004
Some
bloggers can be more than a little cryptic. Michael Helsem, possibly better known as graywyvern or xvarenah, (tho
under his own name he has an interesting little site on tanka
that starts off with a quotation from Rae Armantrout) mentions The
Saragossa Manuscript in a recent entry. But that’s all he does,
save for a link first to a review in the Brightlights Film
Journal, then a second link
to a class on the film from a Slavic Studies course at
That
reminds me of a story. In fact, everything in Rekopis znaleziony w Saragossie
reminds somebody of a story, which they’re only too happy to tell. The Brightlights review has a subhead that characterizes
the film as a “legendary head flick from the ‘60s,” one of those grossly unfair
shorthand gestures that isn’t entirely wrong. Made in 1965 in Poland by the
director Wojciech Has & starring Zbigniew Cybulski, the Polish
equivalent of James Dean, not as the moody star he was in Ashes & Diamonds, but instead as a comic
bungler, the film adapts what I’ve heard characterized as “the Polish national
epic.” The novel, written by Jan Potocki at roughly
the same moment in history when Wordsworth was penning The Prelude, was, however, written originally in French & its
action takes place entirely in
Set
during the Inquisition, the story begins when two soldiers put down their
swords in the middle of a duel to examine a giant book in the room they happen
to fighting in. One recognizes that it accounts the tale of one of his
ancestors, Alfonse Von Worden, a captain in the Guards who was ordered to
report to duty in Madrid, but had to pass through Sierra Morena, a
mountainous regional along the Portuguese border rumored to have gypsies, kabbalists, Moors, bandits & other sorts whom a young
officer in the Guards would be well advised to avoid. Needless to say, Von
Worden has adventures that involve all of the above,
but most importantly, virtually everyone he meets – my favorite is the
possessed sheepherder Pacheco – first has to tell their story. Often, somebody
within their story must tell their own as well. And somebody within that tale
must tell theirs. And and and. At one point, I think that viewers of this film must
be nine layers down into the tales – and one never does get back to the
original duelists. Magic, heresy & incest are all suggested, along with
some stereotypes of people – especially Muslims – that are wild even by today’s
post-911 xenophobia. All of this filmed in a shadowy black & white with a
haunting – well-chosen adjective – electronic score by Krzysztof Penderecki,
largely unknown in the west at the time.
The
film is pure narrative, but a narrative devoted to its devices & adamantly
not going anywhere It’s the closest thing cinematically to the experience of a
Thomas Pynchon novel – all it needs is a talking electronic duck. Back in the
1960s & early ‘70s, it was regular fare at the Cedar Alley Cinema in
The
cinema, which was tiny & funky, with the requisite uncomfortable chairs
that made sitting through a two-hour movie an ordeal, was also immediately next
door to a fire house. At randomly spaced moments – always the worst possible
ones – the entire theater would be filled for a few minutes with bells &
sirens, then curiously quiet again even if mayhem was taking place onscreen.
I
must have seen The Saragossa Manuscript ten
times during those years. If, in fact, cinema is where narrative has fled from
the printed page, this film that strives for what Viktor Shlovsky
would call “plotless prose” – because it is all
plot – is some kind of apotheosis. If Stan Brakhage & Michael Snow showed
what cinema could be sans all those
devices, Has’ film reverses the lesson. I never tired of watching its leisurely
excursions into the absurd, especially when subplots would come together – just
often enough to taunt the audience with possibilities of closure.
Indeed,
Saragossa Manuscript is one of only two
motion pictures that I have ever bought for myself on DVD*. I did this almost
instinctively the instant I found it – I hadn’t seen the film in almost 30
years & had feared that it was lost. Fortunately for me, the film had other
serious fans, one of whom, Jerry Garcia, arranged with the Pacific Film
Archives in
The
film stands up some 30 years later – in fact, I think I got much more out of it
watching The Saragossa Manuscript now
than I did when I was a kid, since I have a much better grasp not only about
its historic period, but also with what it’s trying to do as a film. Back in the
1960s, I would simply go to a film such as, say, The Red Desert, to watch the ship pass
slowly behind the window of the little shed on the pier & to see the room
turn subtly to pink after Richard Harris & Monica Vitti
have their tryst, but with no real sense of why or how those details were
important – let alone why they moved me so, especially the boat** – whereas now
I can see them in a far richer context.
So
it made my heart skip to see Michael Helsem link to
this wonderful, but almost secret motion picture. But, Michael, say a little
more.
*
The other is the documentary
**
I swear that that ship may be responsible for my writing longer poems. It made
me realize, as did the Edith Piaf record in Jean Eustache’s The
Mother and the Whore, that the single
most important aesthetic effect was the ability to slow down time. I have spent
my entire life attempting to arrive at such moments with words.
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Wednesday, February 11, 2004
Ask any
reader familiar with contemporary
The rink around the
posing is closed for
retrofitting.
Refurbishment
is just
around the hospital coroner.
– & a
substantially decent percentage would point directly & correctly to
Bernstein’s
flare is evident everywhere in World
on Fire, a slim but significant chapbook published by
Maybe it
is, but if so, Bernstein’s not letting on. Indirection is almost a religious
principle in his work. Yet, in fact, these works, which so often are composed
out of found language & devolved ad slogans –
It’s still the same old lorry.
Astronaut
meets Mini-Me in a test tube in
Regis spurns Veronica, Merv
buys casino,
goes to another season, but in the
previous year
– and which
are so easily taken by casual, if not outright careless, readers as if they
were a literary Rorschach, seem to
resolve inescapably to schematic frames that signal the autumn of 2001. Here is
the whole of “Ghost of a Chance”:
The silent ending came as fast
as the
cold click of a Berreta. In those years,
before the war, it was the custom. An
entry point could always be found – a ways
down the road, hidden by the side of a
steel-gray tool shed, or in warehouses near
the waterfront. The days always went like
that. And if the money was in the wrong
horse race at least it would be kept quiet,
for a while. The perfume smell was all but
unendurable, when the door opened
and the room flooded with neon and ice-
cold air. Behind the camera the men
joked about the almost bitter coffee.
At one
level this reads not unlike a lyric as abstract as anything John Ashbery ever
crafted. Yet that is only one level & what rises up from Bernstein’s
bleaker humor is an infinitely darker vision. In fact, Ashbery isn’t the right
point of comparison for Bernstein’s work – he never really has been. The poet
among the New Americans who is closest to Bernstein, as a writer, scene maker
& in terms of personal vision, is Allen Ginsberg.
I remember
once a couple of decades ago going to hear Allen in some large auditorium
setting. Although Ginsberg did read ”Howl” almost as an encore that night, his
focus was on the then-most-recent short sharp satirical lyrics, often
accompanying himself on the harmonium. My own feeling at the time was some sort
of radical despair – the creator of some of the most majestic &
perceptively detailed poems of the past 50 years – not just “Howl,” but even
more so “Wichita Vortex Sutra” – appeared to have been swallowed alive by a
comic clown, performing agitprop with the tones of a mantra. Whom bomb indeed!
Later, tho,
I found myself rereading the works I’d come to love in Ginsberg &
increasingly recognizing that the same satirical impulse – which is a
profoundly political stance – lurked just beneath the surface, even in “Sutra”
& “Howl.” If anything, Ginsberg was increasingly becoming himself as he
wrote, worrying less & less about “would this work be accepted” than he had
in his anxious early years. Kaddish
has always struck me as an exceptionally anxious book, for example – Ginsberg
there is trying (not successfully, actually) to find a middle ground between
the satiric commentator & the more orphic Whitmanesque bard who had
suddenly become internationally famous. As time evolved, tho, the either/or
problem more or less dissolved. Ginsberg was free to be what he wanted &
it’s interesting to see what he chose.
Bernstein’s
book looks like a simple enough chapbook of witty lyrics, complete with the
signature Susan Bee painting on the cover**. Yet underneath the wry twists, the
noir humor, this is in fact a deeply politicized response to the defining event
of his city. As the poem “Broken English” asks five separate times in its 27
lines, What are you fighting for?
It’s not a
joke.
* Bizarre as
that name might seem as the repository for debris from the
** Seemingly
a man & woman at a window, contemplating whether or not to jump.
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Tuesday, February 10, 2004
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Pound
for me was always the beginning. By that I don't mean that he was the greatest
-- I'm reasonably sure
I don't believe in such a thing -- but that if I were to draw a spatial map of
poetry, rather like the one suggested by Jack Spicer in his famous Magic Workshop
questionnaire, Pound would sit at the center, like the sun in a Ptolemaic
universe. More than any other poet, he is the one in which you can see &
hear -- especially hear -- contemporary poetry emerge from its Victorian roots.
The new Library of
Plus
Pound knew everyone. He's the Grand Central Station of poetry. More than any other
poet, before or since, Pound understood the role of social organization, of
simply putting X in touch with Y. His correspondence, which I once read
unedited from beginning to end in microfiche while at UC Berkeley, is full of
the bluster & nonsense everyone associates with his prose, especially when
he's discussing something he's pretty sure he doesn't really know (that's when
the Ol' Possum & Uncle Ez crap really gets
thick), but underneath is that constant connecting, connecting, connecting.
Just as everyone can play the Kevin Bacon game*, just as so many mathematicians
have their Erdös number, based upon how many articles they
co-wrote with the famous homeless genius, everybody in poetry can be connected
to Pound, and thus through Pound, in some fashion. That's how you connect
Alfred Starr Hamilton with Andrew Motion with Cesar Vallejo with
I
first read The Cantos when I was 19
& 20 -- there was a period there when I was reading the
At
some point early on, I decided that I need a reasonably complete poetry
library, at whose center Pound sat. Which meant as I began to
fill in the library that I needed/wanted those books that connected his world
up with present day poetry. That is a particular path, by no means the
only way to track the course of time & history in poetry, but it seemed a
fundamentally useful approach to me. And that meant, for example, that even if
I didn't instinctively connect with the Objectivists at first, or at least with
some of them, that I still felt I needed to go out & get the books &,
even more, to read them. I'd already read & liked Zukofsky, but the book
that really extended my appreciation beyond just his work was a chapbook published
by Cleveland poet Ron Caplan -- I think that was the
name -- a reissue of Discrete Series, George
Oppen's first book (& still my favorite of his works). I very quickly got
copies of the later books, acquiring This
in Which via a five-finger discount at the University of Wisconsin
Milwaukee bookstore, because I didn't have the money for the book & couldn't imagine, having just seen
it for the first time, not having it
immediately & forever.
If
you'd asked me at the time -- say 1968 or thereabouts -- I would have said that
the Objectivists were important for connecting Pound & Williams to the
present, especially to Olson, Creeley & the projectivists. But in reality,
I think that reading these works in the other direct proved to be at least as
important. I knew, for example, that Olson's best poetry was extraordinary,
Creeley's likewise, and I felt the same with regard to Pound & Williams.
But now I had a sense of how these two parts of the universe fit together -- my
sense of the shape of American poetry was no longer discontinuous, this book
& this book & this book.
That
sense of continuity is important. It began to enable me to
absorb more & more of my reading into an ever-evolving sense of American
poetry as a thing in itself. Sense
in the previous sentence is a deliberately more abstract term than, say, shape, because the way things "fit"
don't always strike me as having a spatial metaphor (e.g., how
I
don't think Pound, per se, is absolutely necessary to this approach to reading
--
In
contrast, I have never felt any difficulty building backward, say, from Pound. Or toward "anti-Poundian" writing. Pound's is the poetry
that seems to me to lead most easily to Milton & Chaucer & to The Prelude as well as to those
My
non-fiction or theoretical reading, by contrast, has
But
another way that this question might asked, or
answered, is which reading, non-poetry wise, has proven of the greatest value.
In part, the answer is obviously all of the above, but the other part is that
the reading I've done that has proven of greatest value, from the perspective
of my own poetry, falls into a few specific categories:
(1)
Linguistics: especially the writings of Saussure, Roman Jakobson (Six Essays on Sound & Meaning is
criminally out of print, but it's the most important work), George Lakoff
& the current generation of cognitive linguistics. From the perspective of
poetic practice, tho, Chomsky's work was a giant waste of time. From my
perspective, Wittgenstein & the analytic philosophers fit here.
(2)
Western Marxism: all of it, for its variants & connections,
from Sartre & Gramsci & Kautsky, to the early
books of Fred Jameson & Perry Anderson. The
(3)
Discourses ancillary to poetry: art criticism, music theory,
anthropology -- fields that enable me to look at my practice with a different
perspective.
If
you were to catalog my house by shelf space, you would find roughly 36 shelves
devoted to poetry (plus another dozen or so "mounds"), a dozen shelves devoted
to non-fiction -- a ratio that is misleading given how slender so many important
books of poetry have been (so that there may be a 25 to 30 to 1 ratio in actual
number of books) -- and, if you look at a single bookcase next to the furnace
room, a little over six shelves devoted to fiction. If I go hot/cold when it
comes to reading theory & nonfiction, I've been a far more steady reader of
novels (and maybe once a year a collection of short stories). Steady but slow -- it's my bedtime reading or for those rare occasions
when I decide to soak in the tub. I began to think about fiction seriously when
I was in college & specifically when I began to think of the prose poem --
at that time I was focused almost exclusively on Moby Dick, Ulysses & three or so of Faulkner's novels, all
works in which the role of the sentence is particularly powerful &
important. My reading here is far less systematic -- I'm slowly making my way
through Proust, one volume every year or so, reading W.G. Sebald (at Gil Ott's
insistence), David Markson, some of the Phillip K. Dick reissues that have
shown up of late. And a fair number of the ones I complete I don't bother to
save -- I'm never going to read those Robert Parker "Spenser novels" again, even
the ones I liked.
*
As in "
**
With a high contrast photo of the
***
There were virtually no major formalists born in the 1930s, which accounts for
the gap betwixt "old" & "new."
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Monday, February 09, 2004
Lawrence
Rozanski, who is a student at Villanova just down the road, sent me an email
that really made me stop and think. Here’s his message:
Mr. Silliman,
I read your blog
almost everyday and, in addition to your own writing, I'm often struck by the frequency
with which things arrive for you in the mail, or the ease with which you'll
refer to grabbing a title off a stack of unread books. I remember you going
into some detail about the system you've worked out for reading several posts
back — I think it had something to do with different shelves in different
locations around your house? — but I don't ever recall you commenting at length
on the nature and enterprise of actually acquiring
your collection, and I was hoping that you might consider on this topic, both
in terms of how it has applied to your education and on going work as a poet,
as well as how it has shaped, informed, dictated, over-determined, etc. your
practices and habits as a reader. Speaking from personal experience, I've found
that the practice of writing has always been, at least for me, predicated on a
set of answers to what I'll call the "question of reading," with
writing qua writing drawing its sense of distinction and, most crucially,
gaining its entrée into relevant discourses, under the aegis of one's rather
banal choices as a reader — where to shop, what to shop for, what to pass over,
how to go about reading, what ends one envisions as the appropriate outcomes of
reading, the place one reserves for the practice of reading in the course of a
daily or weekly routine, etc. Granted, one way of answering these questions is
to retreat into the unrevealingly banal ("I like to do all my shopping at
X," or "Such-and-such press's catalog is the best place to look for
material on Y."), but if we can push past the temptation to simply recite
our specific habits and, instead, try to arrive at some understanding of how
these habits matter, I think you arrive at a very interesting (and often
neglected) question in modern poetics.
Anyway, if you can
find the time or inclination, consider talking a little about this on your
blog. I'd be very interested in anything you had to say.
There
are really two, or maybe three, questions here, all interesting to think about. One has to do with the creation, shaping & upkeep
of a poet’s library, a second – really where I think Rozanski is going with
this – is a question of the relation of reading’s narrative to one’s mental map
of The Territory, whatever it might be, of what poetry has been, is (&, by
implication at least, should or could be), and of how a poet might govern that,
to the degree that it’s possible.
More
than 35 years ago, I was surprised to discover, when visiting the home of a
School of Quietude poet with whom I was then friendly (& whose early books,
in particular, I’m still fond of, tho we’ve long since lost touch), only to
discover that he owned almost no books. “I don’t keep them,” he told me, tho he
did in fact appear to be a steady enough reader. The man was then employed in
an MFA program at one of those state universities that sprung up like weeds
during the GI-bill funded 1950s, especially out west where new metropolitan
areas were expanding rapidly.* At the time, I wondered how, if he passed on or
discarded everything he read, his own children could ever stumble across some
serendipitous find that would shape or change their lives. That seemed to me
surreal since at least one of my motivations for writing poetry was to propel
myself as far, culturally & intellectually, from the book-starved
environment of my own childhood as I could imagine.
My
own “system,” as Rozanski generously characterizes it, really amounts to mounds
& piles & some bookcases that are, at least modestly, divided into
categories (poetry, nonfiction, unread & fiction are the four main
groupings). But how did I get to this particular set of books & what does
it mean (e.g., the nonfiction books – really mostly theory, history, science,
philosophy & art books – are up in the bookcases in the living room
upstairs because they tend to be published by university or trade publishers
& thus “look presentable” when the neighbors drop by, or least according to
Krishna’s eye, contrasted with anarchic welter of papers that is any poetry
collection that is dominated by small press books, chapbooks & publications
that can strive toward chapbookdom)? Just how many of
these “books” are little more than stapled collections of typewriter paper
(regular or legal sized)? Some of which – say, Robert Kelly’s Axon Dendron Tree, whose top staple I
have to push back in every time I open it, or Blaise Cendrar’s Kodak –
are among the most influential in my library.
Which points right away to a major difference between a
poetry collection & most other collections of literature. A significant portion
of any good poetry library is going to consist of ragtag volumes from
“micropublishers,” material that floats well under the radar even of SPD. I
think of how Anselm Hollo has spoken of his days working for the BBC in London
in the 1950s when it was, he alleges, possible to obtain virtually any small
press book that was brought out in the United States & how radically
different today’s circumstance is for any young writer. For one thing, there
are so many more volumes now – I receive as many as 20 books in the mail each
week & I still spend over $1,000 per year (sometimes double that) to ensure
that I have the books I actually think I need. And while I used to “trim” my
collection periodically when I lived in Berkeley, land of used bookstores, I
haven’t done a “used book dump” in the nearly nine years I’ve lived in
Pennsylvania, in good part because I have spent so much money in recent years
buying books that I had previously owned & once thought I no longer needed
(e.g., where are my Frank Samperi volumes? If I need them again, I’ll have to
buy them at rare book prices. I spent far too much money this past year
reacquiring many of the books of Harold Dull under just such circumstances.).
But
I was lucky. Unbelievably so. My family settled in the
The
town library was an important institution in my growing up. From my mother’s
perspective, anything that separated my brother and I
from my often-psychotic grandmother on the weekends was a resource to grab
onto, especially given the 1100 square feet that the three generations shared
under one roof in our house. Thus bowling leagues, swimming
lessons & always a few hours every Saturday at the
However,
an important part of the evolution of my library from that point forward can be
traced back to the fact that I didn’t really go to college straight out of high
school. Rather, I took what really amounted to a couple of years off, working
part-time, taking a few classes at the local junior college, exploring the
vocational possibilities of recreational pharmaceuticals in the rapidly growing
East Bay market. It was during this period that I first got serious about my
writing & tried to publish. It was also when I half-attended the Berkeley
Poetry Conference in 1965 – half-attended because I couldn’t afford the full
admission & frankly didn’t know who all these people were. I’d never heard
of Charles Olson or Jack Spicer or Robert Duncan, tho I did know enough to have
heard of Ginsberg. I would hang out a lot on Telegraph Avenue, a prototype of
what would now be seen as a street person, watching Kenneth Irby writing
seriously into notebooks at Café Mediterranean & a friend, Davy Smith-Margen, would introduce me to some of his acquaintances,
one of them a Skyline High senior by the name of Barrett Watten. Another friend
from that period was Wesley Tanner, now a fine press printer in
It
was during this period when I met Rochelle Nameroff, who became my first wife.
At the time, she was a volunteer secretary for Jerry Rubin, who was planning
the first anti-Vietnam teach-in in 1965. And it was Rochelle – Shelley – who
convinced me to register at SF State in the writing program. She had a vision
that campuses were going to be the center of sex, drugs & rock & roll –
and politics – as the 1960s evolved & frankly she certainly had that right.
When we got married on Halloween, 1965, I had to borrow money from Clifford
Burke, poet & publisher, to pay the preacher.
I
see a lot of younger writers whose libraries really begin with whatever they
were reading in college. By the time I really headed off to college at the age
of 20, however, I was already a committed reader of Robert Duncan, Jack Spicer,
Louis Zukofsky, Robert Creeley et al. & since I registered late that first
semester & couldn’t get into many of the courses I sought (& was rejected
by Leonard Wolf from the one writing workshop to which I’d submitted a
manuscript), I had an abundance of free time & decided to literally read
the SF State library American poetry collection A thru Z. I didn’t get all the
way, as I recall, but I know I got as far as the many books of Tracy Thompson,
the most widely published American poet of the 1960s. What I didn’t know at the
time was the buyer for this section at SF State had been, more or less right up
to the time when I arrived, Robin Blaser.
All
of which is to say that by the time I reached college, I had a sense of what my
reading needs were. Indeed, I picked classes by how they fit with the
curriculum in my head, rather than the other way around – one major reason why
I never finally finished my undergraduate degree after I switched over to
There
were two books that I was introduced to in college – but just two – that really
made a difference. One was Claude Leví-Strauss’ Tristes Tropiques, which
I actually ran into while working as a reader for an anthro
class at
After
college, I found myself working in the prison movement for the next five years,
then working on tenant issues in
Living
with Barrett Watten on Potrero Hill in 1974 proved a pivotal experience for me
in this regard. His constant questioning of all assumptions at all times forced
me to demand a rigor of myself in my thinking to a degree that I’ve never
experienced before or since – and rather than having two tracts of book buying,
one “creative,” the other “political,” I came really to understand that they
were in fact facets of a single larger discourse that if I just stood at the
right angle, I could begin to glimpse the whole of.
That
preposition seems a good place to stop for the day. Tomorrow, if I get the
chance, I’ll tackle this from a different angle.
*
This poet has published seven books, all with trade, university or “top tier”
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Sunday, February 08, 2004
There will be a memorial for Gil Ott at the Painted Bride,
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